I’m still N on Rhule, but..

That SOB Van Owen · 2025-10-17T22:37:50-0500

Still N on Rhule. I think he’s an outstanding culture fit and a good coach.

Having said that, we have some glaring flaws (duh). It starts with the Raiola family. It appears there are some really big holes in Dylan’s game. He may have generational arm talent. He may be really good pre-snap. But something isn’t right. He does hold the ball too long. I don’t care what anyone tries to tell me at this point. He holds it too long. I understand that our OL is trash, but he’s gotta get the ball out sooner. Idk if Dana needs to give him more stuff where it’s one down field read and if it’s not there check it down, or what. He needs some easier reads and we need more quick game passing. Get the ball out and let’s go. If we can’t do that within our scheme, it seriously might be time to try something else at QB. Dylan is an enigma because he makes some incredible plays but then other times he just stands there for five seconds and takes a sack.

The other Raiola… well, unc isn’t exactly helping neph. I really have no idea here. You literally have rushers running by our OL untouched. Multiple times. Is it scheme? Are we just dumb? I seriously don’t get how we can be this bad on the OL. We have to get rid of Donny and try something else.

We also ran the ball well at times tonight and then got away from it. Would like to have seen us commit to the run more when the game was still in doubt.

Defense I’m not too concerned about. Obviously the 98 yard drive was killer. But 6 points through 2+ quarters up to that point when the game was still in the balance isn’t good enough. You have to do more to help your defense out.

I know none of this is earth shattering. But I still think Rhule is a superb fit here and can win here at a high level. But we have to make some changes.

V-Doub · 2025-10-18T09:37:58-0500

Ok, I’ll just say it. Rhule needs fire Donnie and if Dylan transfers so be it. I think most of us don’t want Dylan to transfer, but I also don’t think he’s good enough to justify keeping Donnie.

DR is like a lot like some of Saban’s QBs at Alabama. Especially the 1st half of Saban’s tenure at Alabama. Those were not m0bile guys, but they were smart and had elite arm talent. You need an elite oline with that type of QB, and our oline is far from elite.

Hedley Lamarr · 2025-10-18T09:48:38-0500

V-Doub said:
Ok, I’ll just say it. Rhule needs fire Donnie and if Dylan transfers so be it. I think most of us don’t want Dylan to transfer, but I also don’t think he’s good enough to justify keeping Donnie.

DR is like a lot like some of Saban’s QBs at Alabama. Especially the 1st half of Saban’s tenure at Alabama. Those were not m0bile guys, but they were smart and had elite arm talent. You need an elite oline with that type of QB, and our oline is far from elite.

I agree Dylan would be incredible behind an elite OL, unfortunately his uncle can't coach him one

Cosmoc · 2025-10-18T09:54:08-0500

Instead of elite, they're just lite...

COYS · 2025-10-18T09:55:33-0500

V-Doub said:
Ok, I’ll just say it. Rhule needs fire Donnie and if Dylan transfers so be it. I think most of us don’t want Dylan to transfer, but I also don’t think he’s good enough to justify keeping Donnie.

DR is like a lot like some of Saban’s QBs at Alabama. Especially the 1st half of Saban’s tenure at Alabama. Those were not m0bile guys, but they were smart and had elite arm talent. You need an elite oline with that type of QB, and our oline is far from elite.

Thing is, I don’t think Dylan is smart or a quick processor. Holgs is calling plus that are 1-2 reads and quick and Dylan just can’t see the field or has the yips or something.

This has been going on since the second half of last season and now carried into year 2. It’s no longer a freshman slump type thing but just the reality of his ability.

COYS · 2025-10-18T09:57:58-0500

Also, this is going on three head coaches now who have played in this conference multiple years and still have zero clue how to win a Big 10 game against these teams like Minnesota and Cockeye.

Run the fucking ball some and give your defense a rest. We can say the defense sucked in the second half but it comes down to the offense continually not being able to sustain drives and allowing our defense to just get pounded on for a large portion of that game. We need a coach who has experience winning in this conference and doesn’t care about optics. Year 3 and Rhule still hasn’t figured that out is concerning.

Huskers633 · 2025-10-18T09:58:49-0500

I've never posted this on here or ON3, but I talk about it with my buddies all the time. And I'm sure after this post I'll be told what an idiot I am and that's ok. I don't like our offense, at all. Haven't since Rhule got here. I don't like the slow paced, huddle just slow style we play. I wish we played faster, and went no huddle. Originally I thought it was just Sat, but since the Cincinnati game I believe Rhule is forcing Holgerson to be the OC Rhule wants him to be. And I hate it.

Kaladin · 2025-10-18T10:02:02-0500

Huskers633 said:
I've never posted this on here or ON3, but I talk about it with my buddies all the time. And I'm sure after this post I'll be told what an idiot I am and that's ok. I don't like our offense, at all. Haven't since Rhule got here. I don't like the slow paced, huddle just slow style we play. I wish we played faster, and went no huddle. Originally I thought it was just Sat, but since the Cincinnati game I believe Rhule is forcing Holgerson to be the OC Rhule wants him to be. And I hate it.

I don’t understand what we are trying to do on offense.

Huskers633 · 2025-10-18T10:03:50-0500

Also, since last season I refer to Rhule as Simon. Bill Paxton's character in True Lies. Used car salesman. Considering my last two posts you'd think I'm out on Rhule, but I'm not. I really want him to figure it out. But IMO changes need to be made. This might be the worst OL I've seen at Nebraska, and we've had some bad ones the past 15 years.

BorWhiskey · 2025-10-18T10:05:20-0500

That SOB Van Owen said:
He may be really good pre-snap. But something isn’t right.

this is a misconception at this point. He does a lot of pre snap dissection but the defense knows how to bait him which is why he’s always cocking the ball and then realizing that read isn’t open. This is more to blame on the sacks than the OL.

Here’s what we’re dealing with…

- An edge rusher who is focused on the pass rush will almost always beat the OT. If he’s given enough time.
- DR isn’t a running threat to keep the ends honest.
- We don’t try to establish the run to keep the ends honest.
- The defense disguises/baits DR into a certain look, giving the ends time to get to QB
- The OL is giving him 3 seconds.
- The OL is not able to give him 4 seconds.
- He needs 4 seconds given how much time he spends on his first read and then find his second read.
- DR is a bit paralyzed by the disguised looks.

There is no reason we couldn’t run mesh and sticks like Minny did to us last night to keep the chains moving but DR is staying with the wrong read too often and too long. Even when we run those, he rarely opens with EJ as read 1 which is how those plays are designed.

Flabio · 2025-10-18T10:20:47-0500

Rhule said in some recent interview that the staff is NOT taking to DR in the headset outside of calling the pay to let him make all the reads and checks to get ready for the NFL. I get that but no pointers? Why are we gimping and not using this tech? It’s some 4D development chess that isn’t needed.

V-Doub · 2025-10-18T10:21:21-0500

COYS said:
Thing is, I don’t think Dylan is smart or a quick processor. Holgs is calling plus that are 1-2 reads and quick and Dylan just can’t see the field or has the yips or something.

This has been going on since the second half of last season and now carried into year 2. It’s no longer a freshman slump type thing but just the reality of his ability.

Well, Dylan hasn’t played well and isn’t by any means and isn’t absolved of blame. But he’s a traditional “pro style QB”. We’ve watched these type of guys look like rank amateurs in the NFL for years when they don’t have an elite oline, or better yet a talent advantage on the offensive line. These same QBs were all-Americans, Heisman winners, Heisman candidates, 1st All-conference and record breakers in college.

Think about how many dominant QBs just Alabama and Ohio State alone have had that looked like pure shit in the NFL, but absolutely dominated at the college level. Even the best Pro style QBs will look totally lost and ineffective once they get rattled, start watching the pass rush, get the yips, hold the ball, get happy feet and ultimately make uncharacteristically bad decisions.

Peyton Manning was/is one of the best QBs of all time. But when he was behind a poor oline, or an oline that couldn’t block the defense in front of them on that particular day. He looked like shit was completely ineffective. So long story short, as I’ve said in other threads. This is a 60/40 or maybe even a 70/30 situation. From my vantage point and from what I think I know about QB and oline play, I put 60-70% of the blame on the offensive line. That’s just how I see it.

V-Doub · 2025-10-18T10:26:15-0500

BorWhiskey said:
this is a misconception at this point. He does a lot of pre snap dissection but the defense knows how to bait him which is why he’s always cocking the ball and then realizing that read isn’t open. This is more to blame on the sacks than the OL.

Here’s what we’re dealing with…

- An edge rusher who is focused on the pass rush will almost always beat the OT. If he’s given enough time.
- DR isn’t a running threat to keep the ends honest.
- We don’t try to establish the run to keep the ends honest.
- The defense disguises/baits DR into a certain look, giving the ends time to get to QB
- The OL is giving him 3 seconds.
- The OL is not able to give him 4 seconds.
- He needs 4 seconds given how much time he spends on his first read and then find his second read.
- DR is a bit paralyzed by the disguised looks.

There is no reason we couldn’t run mesh and sticks like Minny did to us last night to keep the chains moving but DR is staying with the wrong read too often and too long. Even when we run those, he rarely opens with EJ as read 1 which is how those plays are designed.

But you can’t run mesh and pic routes if you don’t have time. A lot of those routes/concepts take the most time to develop and come open. I think a lot of us are discounting what happens to a pocket passer once they get rattled and frustrated. Many of best pocket passers in college football have been made to look like total bums in the NFL when they no longer have a dominant offensive line.

Flabio · 2025-10-18T10:32:02-0500

V-Doub said:
But you can’t run mesh and pic routes if you don’t have time. A lot of those routes/concepts take the most time to develop and come open. I think a lot of us are discounting what happens to a pocket passer once they get rattled and frustrated. Many of best pocket passers in college football have been made to look like total bums in the NFL when they no longer have a dominant offensive line.

We needed a strong OL and run game to make things work with this offense and our OL is bad and we have one RB in year three. Mozee is losing a year taking 1-3 carries a game the RB room has been so poorly recruited and developed.

BorWhiskey · 2025-10-18T10:37:28-0500

V-Doub said:
But you can’t run mesh and pic routes if you don’t have time. A lot of those routes/concepts take the most time to develop and come open. I think a lot of us are discounting what happens to a pocket passer once they get rattled and frustrated. Many of best pocket passers in college football have been made to look like total bums in the NFL when they no longer have a dominant offensive line.

Mesh doesn’t need more than 3 seconds. Deep crossing might but we never run that. Sticks definitely doesn’t, that’s like a 2 second concept.

Again, the first read in all of these, including mesh, is supposed to be the back in the flat to make the defense commit to him. If they don’t, it’s easy yards. We aren’t seeing that.

Flabio · 2025-10-18T10:38:22-0500

Maybe DR holds onto it a bit but his line is getting him killed. Transfer DR, this is BS. 9 sacks is insanity.

BorWhiskey · 2025-10-18T10:46:28-0500

Flabio said:
Maybe DR holds onto it a bit but his line is getting him killed. Transfer DR, this is BS. 9 sacks is insanity.

The thing is… correcting DR is easier than correcting a bad OL. We’ve heard all year that we plan on executing and taking what is given, yet we haven’t seen that on the field. DR is good— and smart—enough to change and help himself.

This isn’t a helpless situation. Once again, a clean 3 seconds with consistency is good enough to game plan around. We failed in doing that last night. Go back to UMD who had significantly better pass rushers than Minny. We established the run which kept them on their heels. Last night, either Dana didn’t like what he was seeing in the run game, or we were checking out of them. Regardless, it’s a lot easier for an end if they have only one assignment, which is speed rushing around an OT.

All said… it’s not as simple as a bad OL. Our calls and our QB aren’t helping the situation at all. Let’s fix those things first as they are fixable during install.

V-Doub · 2025-10-18T10:47:36-0500

BorWhiskey said:
Mesh doesn’t need more than 3 seconds. Deep crossing might but we never run that. Sticks definitely doesn’t, that’s like a 2 second concept.

Again, the first read in all of these, including mesh, is supposed to be the back in the flat to make the defense commit to him. If they don’t, it’s easy yards. We aren’t seeing that.

Well, a lot of that depends on the oline and WRs/TEs/RBs execution. In a perfect world a stick might come open in 2 or less seconds, but that’s not what DR is working with. Bottom line is DR needs a dominant offensive line to be successful, that’s the type of QB he is. Go watch film of those dominant Alabama teams. Unless it was against LSU or maybe Georgia, their QB had all day to throw the ball 4,5,6 seconds and sometimes more.

In the NFL you get 3 or less seconds period, and most of those guys can’t be dominant or even effective with 3 or less seconds. Most teams and coaches in college have gone away from a pure pocket passer, they know they can’t put an Ohio State/Alabama level oline in front of them. A lot pro teams have gone away from pocket passers. 3 seconds isn’t enough time for an imm0bile QB to function consistently.

V-Doub · 2025-10-18T10:50:50-0500

BorWhiskey said:
The thing is… correcting DR is easier than correcting a bad OL. We’ve heard all year that we plan on executing and taking what is given, yet we haven’t seen that on the field. DR is good— and smart—enough to change and help himself.

This isn’t a helpless situation. Once again, a clean 3 seconds with consistency is good enough to game plan around. We failed in doing that last night. Go back to UMD who had significantly better pass rushers than Minny. We established the run which kept them on their heels. Last night, either Dana didn’t like what he was seeing in the run game, or we were checking out of them. Regardless, it’s a lot easier for an end if they have only one assignment, which is speed rushing around an OT.

All said… it’s not as simple as a bad OL. Our calls and our QB aren’t helping the situation at all. Let’s fix those things first as they are fixable during install.

3 seconds isn’t enough time for a pure pocket passer to be consistently successful. That is an NFL standard (3 seconds) which, as I’ve said before, shouldn’t be applied to college football where there are such vast talent disparities. Hell, 3 seconds isn’t enough time for most NFL QBs. Dudes who dominated at the college level.

BorWhiskey · 2025-10-18T10:54:12-0500

V-Doub said:
Well, a lot of that depends on the oline and WRs/TEs/RBs execution. In a perfect world a stick might come open in 2 or less seconds, but that’s not what DR is working with. Bottom line is DR needs a dominant offensive line to be successful, that’s the type of QB he is. Go watch film of those dominant Alabama teams. Unless it was against LSU or maybe Georgia, their QB had all day to throw the ball 4,5,6 seconds and sometimes more.

In the NFL you get 3 or less seconds period, and most of those guys can’t be dominant or even effective with 3 or less seconds. Most teams and coaches in college have gone away from a pure pocket passer, they know they can’t put an Ohio State/Alabama level oline in front of them. A lot pro teams have gone away from pocket passers. 3 seconds isn’t enough time for an imm0bile QB to function consistently.

But we ARE consistently getting 3 seconds. Is not “3 or less”, it’s “at least 3”. He got 3.35 seconds last night. Over 3.5 without a blitz, and just barely under 3 when they did blitz… and you’d expect that.

These aren’t abnormal pass pro TTT’s… but they are abnormal results because of other circumstances.

Again, it’s not as easy as this OL sucks.

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