Someone please tell me why I should believe that Butler will be a good DC

[Mavsker]

Because the DC (and the OC fit that matter) are micromanaged by the HC to a stifling degree. Until there’s a change in HC, it won’t matter who the DC is.

If this is true we need to get Rhule's greasy fingers off the offense and the defense. God forbid he even thinks about touching the special teams. He can be in charge of the podcasts and TikToks

 

[Slam Duncan]

If this is true we need to get Rhule's greasy fingers off the offense and the defense. God forbid he even thinks about touching the special teams. He can be in charge of the podcasts and TikToks

I mean see Tony white

 

[nscottie]

I mean see Tony white

Yeah Tony’s really lighting it up at FSU without Rhules’s supposed interference

 

[wildcat_husker]

Because the DC (and the OC fit that matter) are micromanaged by the HC to a stifling degree. Until there’s a change in HC, it won’t matter who the DC is.

What evidence do you have of this? Genuinely asking.

 

[Deckard_26354]

What evidence do you have of this? Genuinely asking.

Anecdotal at best but two aspects have always bothered me:

1. Our previous DC (who had mostly done well with what he had to work with) was obviously forced out due to the philosophical differences with the HC. The HC replaces him with a guy desperate for the DC tag and also brings in the HC’s old confidant to advise the D (in a 3-3-5 system that does not fit the conference at all). In and of itself, I am not an anti-Butler guy as I think Butler’s general influence has been positive and witnessed through the improved pass coverage. He’s just made to run the system by the numbers, as the HC wants, the thing the last guy had more and more problems with as time went on.

2. On O, did it not shock everyone that NU brings in one of the best recognized and productive OC’s in the game and then we walk away from a full offseason running the same O that the HC installed in year one? This makes no sense, does not happen anywhere in this type of situation (e.g., a new OC hired to improve a horribly ineffective existing O). Holgo is a good soldier and has recited the PC answer to that general question but it should have been looked at with suspicion from day one of this season.

Both of those situations scream a situation involving a micromanager CEO, dictated situation. I love Rhule as a person, I just think there are so many suspect aspects to his production as a HC with the end result being consistent subpar play.

 

[Flabio]

Yeah Tony’s really lighting it up at FSU without Rhules’s supposed interference

With better talent and in a much weaker conference.

 

[nscottie]

Anecdotal at best but two aspects have always bothered me:

1. Our previous DC (who had mostly done well with what he had to work with) was obviously forced out due to the philosophical differences with the HC. The HC replaces him with a guy desperate for the DC tag and also brings in the HC’s old confidant to advise the D (in a 3-3-5 system that does not fit the conference at all). In and of itself, I am not an anti-Butler guy as I think Butler’s general influence has been positive and witnessed through the improved pass coverage. He’s just made to run the system by the numbers, as the HC wants, the thing the last guy had more and more problems with as time went on.

2. On O, did it not shock everyone that NU brings in one of the best recognized and productive OC’s in the game and then we walk away from a full offseason running the same O that the HC installed in year one? This makes no sense, does not happen anywhere in this type of situation (e.g., a new OC hired to improve a horribly ineffective existing O). Holgo is a good soldier and has recited the PC answer to that general question but it should have been looked at with suspicion from day one of this season.

Both of those situations scream a situation involving a micromanager CEO, dictated situation. I love Rhule as a person, I just think there are so many suspect aspects to his production as a HC with the end result being consistent subpar play.

Regarding #1, White having Robinson and Nash is demonstrably better than anyone we currently have. So saying he mostly did well with what he had to work with is comparing apples to oranges.

Secondly, saying White was obviously forced out, do you have first hand proof. There have been others that claimed this, but again does anyone really have proof. It could be true, but I’ve never seen any proof from a credible source.

 

[SlumpBuster]

Because the DC (and the OC fit that matter) are micromanaged by the HC to a stifling degree. Until there’s a change in HC, it won’t matter who the DC is.

Rhule is not a micro manager. He's way more CEO/hands off

 

[SlumpBuster]

Regarding #1, White having Robinson and Nash is demonstrably better than anyone we currently have. So saying he mostly did well with what he had to work with is comparing apples to oranges.

Secondly, saying White was obviously forced out, do you have first hand proof. There have been others that claimed this, but again does anyone really have proof. It could be true, but I’ve never seen any proof from a credible source.

I think you could argue bringing in Snow could be taken as an insult.

 

[Irv]

The philosophy of making a team one dimensional by taking away the pass is dumb in college football in general and a marker of criminal insanity in the big ten.

 

[Irv]

I think you could argue bringing in Snow could be taken as an insult.

Many of us were led to believe that just Snow’s presence would assure we’d never see a night like last night or Minnesota.

 

[nscottie]

I think you could argue bringing in Snow could be taken as an insult.

Possibly but again assumption. And you know what they say about assuming

 

[SlumpBuster]

Possibly but again assumption. And you know what they say about assuming

It's generally a good idea and never goes wrong?