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He's a good coach. But Tim Beck as an OC is a red flag for me.
Why does everyone hate on Doeren?
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Why does everyone hate on Doeren?
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Beck gets a bad rap for his time here, but he's been the best OC we've had in a over almost 2 decades...
Shit, I'd take Garrison back too. Those OLs weren't this fucking bad, and they had Utter.
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Beck got booted from OSU, then demoted at Texas where he had been given a landing spot, widely seen as a failure at both spots.
He ran an offense that moved the ball between the 20s, but had no identity.
I know he's not outright garbage, and probably a passable coach,, but I stand by my hate.
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Also wasn't Tim Beck the guy who dissed Joe Burrow while he was here for a recruiting trip to NU? Then ironically enough he worked w him at OSU.
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He was very successful at KU and solid at Nebraska. He seems to be doing well now at NC State. I'd disagree with the identity. They were a power and outside zone team.
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A mistake I'm seeing from some Husker fans is that they believe that if we don't get our A+ #1 target then it's a failure and we will suck forever. That is not right. We can miss on our top few and still be better than what we were at the start of the year. I seriously doubt that most places get their #1 target.
Let's say we have an overall list of coaches that equals 20 names and each is rated A+ to F. Even if we ended up with our C - choice because everyone else told us no we would still be 2 orders of magnitude better than Frost. (Who was a capital F)
Should we go after the top guys? Of course. But even if we have trouble landing one and end up with a 5th or 6th choice, while not ideal, it would still set us on a path to being more successful than we have been. And the truth is that we are due. Could we really hire a 5th dud in a row?
Let's say we have an overall list of coaches that equals 20 names and each is rated A+ to F. Even if we ended up with our C - choice because everyone else told us no we would still be 2 orders of magnitude better than Frost. (Who was a capital F)
Should we go after the top guys? Of course. But even if we have trouble landing one and end up with a 5th or 6th choice, while not ideal, it would still set us on a path to being more successful than we have been. And the truth is that we are due. Could we really hire a 5th dud in a row?
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Zach Smith told the story about Beck. He said he wasn’t a bad coach. He really didn’t get booted. On the other hand Ed Warriner straight out got booted. He said Beck was a solid coach but a guy like Day is elite.
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Your C hire might not still be as good as Solich and Pelini and you called them a dud hire. I would take that kind of success right now.
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I'm kind of in this boat. We're so fucking bad, but bringing in even just a decent coach we'll be much better. Yeah, getting a great coach that is capable of winning B1G titles is the goal, but we've got to get to winning the B1G west 1st.
You get a coach that is a developer first I feel is most important. They'll instantly be a better recruiter with our resources. And we've shown over the last several years, our recruiting rankings have meant a whole hill of shit.
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Can somebody explain this to me? Not calling you out and I get what you are saying, but are you inferring that his ceiling would be same here at NU if he were to be coach? People are saying the things about Campbell, Liepold, Klieman etc...So are you saying that if any of these coaches were to come to NU, we should expect the same results as what they are doing at their current coaching gig?
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Well he's in an easier conference and he's pretty much reached his ceiling there. He and his staff at NCSU dont pull great classes so that is one factor that limits his ceiling.
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I liked Beck. Can always look back at particular plays called during game X or Y but overall thought he was good at Nebraska.
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Things to love about Doeren's teams:
Thing that bothers me about Doeren's teams:
If Nebraska hired Doeren, I'd be perfectly fine with it. And I think it would be very justifiable. He will run a tight ship, they will develop well up front. I don't know if he's going to win you a big game, but he'll have teams good enough that there will actually be big games to play in
And he can not, under any circumstances bring Tim Beck back here. Tim Beck and the Big 10 just don't work
- Generally good defense
- Great development program, especially in the trenches
Thing that bothers me about Doeren's teams:
- Gets too conservative in big games. He likes to punt a lot from + territory and stuff like that. He and Ferentz love punting from plus territory
If Nebraska hired Doeren, I'd be perfectly fine with it. And I think it would be very justifiable. He will run a tight ship, they will develop well up front. I don't know if he's going to win you a big game, but he'll have teams good enough that there will actually be big games to play in
And he can not, under any circumstances bring Tim Beck back here. Tim Beck and the Big 10 just don't work
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I think Beck and Frost as play callers are very similar.
Great at drawing up plays, not great at creating an identity.
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My dream for a coach that comes in who may not have an OC follow them *cough*Aranda*cough* would be that we reach out to Tom Herman for the OC gig.
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Talk about a guy that gets a bad rep...
His record at Texas:
- 7-6
- 10-4
- 8-5
- 7-3
He went 22-4 at Houston before that.
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I think his bad rap is for off the Field behavior as much as not winning 10-11 games/year. You don't get the nickname Vodka Tom in the coaching community for no reason.
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At KU Beck was really liked as a coach by the players and coaches. They thought he was great as a recruiter and WR Coach.
Ed Warriner on the other hand might have been a good O-Line Coach for them but he was not liked by many of the other coaches, players or administration. He wasn't hated on the level of Mangino but he definitely ranks up there with some of the least popular coaches personality wise. I think since 2000 Warriner is onto like his 8th or 9th time changing teams. Maybe he just doesn't play well with others. He's now at Florida Atlantic which is a huge step down from having been at Ohio St, Notre Dame, Minnesota and Michigan the last 10 years. Not many Offensive Coordinators from a National Champion like Ohio St have fallen to being an O-Line Coach at a school like Florida Atlantic.
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Yeah I think how things ended at Texas, coupled with some of the murmurs of off-field stuff, makes Herman a little too “toxic” to come back as a head coach. However, I think given the right situation he could get himself back in the game as an OC. Like I said, given his history with Aranda my dream scenario would be if we could bring Aranda in as HC and Herman at OC. That would give us elite minds on each side of the ball.
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Sounds familiar.
