UNMC vs Nebraska Medicine. Anyone know what the hell is going on?

[BradWesley]

Nebraska Medicine leadership under investigation; Regents install interim board

The University of Nebraska Board of Regents has replaced the board of directors at Nebraska Medicine as its actions in regards to the Clarkson Regional Health deal come under the scrutiny of the state Attorney General.

www.wowt.com

Dr. Gold just taking no prisoners here.

 

[Frogsker30]

Regardless of position, the funniest part about this is Gold was the president of the med center and board when the contract was established

 

[Samkellers_69]

Shits crazy. Even internally to NebMed on the Business/IT side worker bees have started fleeing. There has been shady shit going on with directors getting canned out of nowhere back in October, then causing multiple managers to leave because no one likes the new internal leadership.

 

[PonyBoy]

Paging @Dr. Steve Brule & @Dr.DrakeRamoray explain it, fellas. TIA!

 

[BradWesley]

@God is a Husker or anyone else know anything?

 

[BIGSTICK67]

Remember when there were rumors about Nebraska getting kicked out of the B1G due to it's academics/AAU status?

With Nebraska Medicine being absorbed by the University of Nebraska, it brings the university one step closer to being considered one entity. Which eventually allows for re-application into the barf...AAU.

Many knew it was inevitable (speaking to you Clarkson) - so they played along knowing that hell or high water, the University was going to move forward with the merger.

Basically a long-term strategy to elevate academics at the University as a whole. Many other alleged prestigious institutions have a similar set-up: Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

Truthfully I wouldn't venture a guess about this scenario until we see what the statements are legally from both groups. IN the broad scope; I would say that the evaluation of the net worth of Clarkson sounds wildly out of whack. Without their connection to UNMC that facility would be essentially worthless. Their only asset of worth is the Clarkson Nursing School, which I believe is not involved in any of these negotiated assumptions by UNMC, it is a completely separate organization.

 

[PonyBoy]

Remember when there were rumors about Nebraska getting kicked out of the B1G due to it's academics/AAU status?

With Nebraska Medicine being absorbed by the University of Nebraska, it brings the university one step closer to being considered one entity. Which eventually allows for re-application into the barf...AAU.

Many knew it was inevitable (speaking to you Clarkson) - so they played along knowing that hell or high water, the University was going to move forward with the merger.

Basically a long-term strategy to elevate academics at the University as a whole. Many other alleged prestigious institutions have a similar set-up: Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, eKong?

Wait, I thought all of the AAU bullshit had to deal with UNMC being so far away from UNL the AAU wouldn't count UNMC? I'm fairly confident it was something close to that...

...and if that's the case, adding Clarkson does no good. Unless the AAU has changed things.

 

[Kinish]

Wait, I thought all of the AAU bullshit had to deal with UNMC being so far away from UNL the AAU wouldn't count UNMC? I'm fairly confident it was something close to that...

...and if that's the case, adding Clarkson does no good. Unless the AAU has changed things.

i was in the understanding that the medical school was its own branch of the UN system and not under the purview of UNL or UNO

somehow thats changing

 

[BIGSTICK67]

Wait, I thought all of the AAU bullshit had to deal with UNMC being so far away from UNL the AAU wouldn't count UNMC? I'm fairly confident it was something close to that...

...and if that's the case, adding Clarkson does no good. Unless the AAU has changed things.

That was true in the beginning regarding proximity.

The rumor is that Dr. Gold is the only one allegedly connected and respected enough with other B1G universities to possibly pull off the big picture re-entry into the AAU. First things first however. Get Nebraska-Lincoln and the Med Center under one University of Nebraska system to mirror what many of the other B1G Universities have had for decades or 100+ years. If you think about it, why should it matter if the campuses are 55 miles apart. In reality UNL has an East Campus....so what is the cut-off on geography? I believe UCLA has second locations over one hour away from the medical school, so what's the difference.

BTW, this paragraph that I snipped from my post above was just my personal opinion.

 

[PonyBoy]

i was in the understanding that the medical school was its own branch of the UN system and not under the purview of UNL or UNO

somehow thats changing

First things first however. Get Nebraska-Lincoln and the Med Center under one University of Nebraska system

UNMC is under the Nebraska System, or I'm reading this wrong...

Governance
UNMC is one of four University of Nebraska campuses, along with the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, the University of Nebraska Omaha and the University of Nebraska at Kearney. The Board of Regents consists of eight voting members elected by district for six-year terms. The Board also includes a non-voting student Regent from each NU campus. The Board of Regents supervises the general operations of the university, as well as controls and directs all expenditures.

The board appoints the University of Nebraska president, who serves as the chief executive. Jeffrey P. Gold, M.D., the ninth NU president, reports to the Board. Each campus chancellor reports to the president.

Leadership & Mission

UNMC leaders are creating a more vibrant academic health science center and a stronger economy for all Nebraskans.

www.unmc.edu

And here too 👇

About the University of Nebraska System

nebraska.edu

Office of Campus Engagement
Reaching New Levels of Excellence
Founded in 1869 and chartered as the state’s first medical college in 1881, we became part of the University of Nebraska in 1902. Today, our education programs train more health professionals than any other institution in the state.

Our scientists and clinicians are at the leading edge of discovering new medical breakthroughs, transforming lives across the state and around the world.

About Us

UNMC's mission is to create a healthy future for all through premier educational programs, innovative research and extraordinary patient care.

www.unmc.edu

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

i was in the understanding that the medical school was its own branch of the UN system and not under the purview of UNL or UNO

somehow thats changing

UNMC has always been a stand alone school until recently. The school was originally founded by doctors and surgeons in the city of Omaha and was located near downtown. It wasn't incorporated in the University of Nebraska system until 1902. It was always a separate school and facility until a few years ago within the UN system statewide (UNL, UNO, UNK, WSU, UNMC) .

The change was because of UNL suffering in university rankings due to our Med school not being apart of our flagship university as it is with every other school in the B1G except University of Oregon.

This doesn't actually hurt UNMC, but the school has fought tooth and nail to prevent this from happenning for over a century. UNMC is a higher ranked academic school than UNL.

 

[PonyBoy]

The link below explains it.

Now Nebraska is working on a plan that will include reporting research expenditures from UNL, its flagship campus in Lincoln, in tandem with the University of Nebraska Medical Center located in Omaha. Currently, Carter said, Nebraska ranks 117th nationally for federal research and development dollars. But changing the organizational structure to combine R&D reporting would bump Nebraska to 66th.

Cast out 12 years ago, Nebraska seeks a return to the AAU

The University of Nebraska-Lincoln was voted out of the selective association of research universities in 2011. Now leaders are striving to make history as the first ex-member welcomed back.

www.insidehighered.com

 

[BIGSTICK67]

UNMC has always been a stand alone school until recently. The school was originally founded by doctors and surgeons in the city of Omaha and was located near downtown. It wasn't incorporated in the University of Nebraska system until 1902. It was always a separate school and facility until a few years ago within the UN system statewide (UNL, UNO, UNK, WSU, UNMC) .

The change was because of UNL suffering in university rankings due to our Med school not being apart of our flagship university as it is with every other school in the B1G except University of Oregon.

This doesn't actually hurt UNMC, but the school has fought tooth and nail to prevent this from happenning for over a century. UNMC is a higher ranked academic school than UNL.

Good post. You did a better job of explaining than I did.

Ultimately the long-term strategy is to re-apply for AAU status and that cannot be done if the Medical school isn't part of the flagship university.

 

[BIGSTICK67]

The link below explains it.

Now Nebraska is working on a plan that will include reporting research expenditures from UNL, its flagship campus in Lincoln, in tandem with the University of Nebraska Medical Center located in Omaha. Currently, Carter said, Nebraska ranks 117th nationally for federal research and development dollars. But changing the organizational structure to combine R&D reporting would bump Nebraska to 66th.

Cast out 12 years ago, Nebraska seeks a return to the AAU

The University of Nebraska-Lincoln was voted out of the selective association of research universities in 2011. Now leaders are striving to make history as the first ex-member welcomed back.

www.insidehighered.com

This is accurate from what I've understood for a few years. This is when the buzz started that the B1G told Nebraska to start winning in football and figure out how to regain entry into the AAU. Apparently Dr. Gold has the cache and respect to potentially pull it off.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

Bishop Clarkson Memorial Hospital was the first hospital in the State of Nebraska created in 1869, as a facility associated with the Episcopalian Church. In the late 1950s a new hospital for Clarkson was built at the intersection of 44th and Dewey in 1955.

Architecturally this new hospital was beautiful, and its near proximity to both the fledgling UNMC facility across the street and the Children's Hospital (very small at this time like 10 beds). Was propitious to all parties. Especially when the Gene Eppley Center for transplants was created in the late 1960s. The glass walled restaurant within the hospital originally had tuxedo waiters serving.

By the late 1980s early 1990s UNMC expansion and growth had completely overwhelmed Clarkson, and by 1997 a merger of Bishop Clarkson Memorial Hospital and University Hospital created the Nebraska Health System (NHS). In 2003, the NHS changed its name to The Nebraska Medical Center. In 2016, The Nebraska Medical Center, Bellevue Medical Center and UNMC Physicians came together to operate under one name: Nebraska Medicine. Today, Nebraska Medicine includes Nebraska Medicine – Nebraska Medical Center, Nebraska Medicine – Bellevue and 40 outpatient clinics, providing patients with access to more than 1,000 physicians and 809-licensed hospital beds in Omaha and Bellevue. CRHS remains a co-owner of Nebraska Medicine with University of Nebraska.

Apparently their is some physical infrastructure and perhaps some "shares" that Clarkson as a fiduciary element still possesses, and this is what is in question.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

Venturing a guess this is about the rather Byzantine structure that this has created, and a desire to clean this up and make all the facilities under one clear administration.

I would also guess that the 1950's Clarkson building is a poor unit to match the overall infrastructure plan for UNMC (who has space issues given it's very urban environment). Clarkson currently supplies essentially hospital beds and parking to UNMC. A more holistic plan with a newer facility would probably be more effective.

That plus the interconnections between the two are really arduous hallways that stretch like 1/2 mile underground through causeways. This is bad for patients and staff.

 

[BIGSTICK67]

Bishop Clarkson Memorial Hospital was the first hospital in the State of Nebraska created in 1869, as a facility associated with the Episcopalian Church. In the late 1950s a new hospital for Clarkson was built at the intersection of 44th and Dewey in 1955.

Architecturally this new hospital was beautiful, and its near proximity to both the fledgling UNMC facility across the street and the Children's Hospital (very small at this time like 10 beds). Was propitious to all parties. Especially when the Gene Eppley Center for transplants was created in the late 1960s. The glass walled restaurant within the hospital originally had tuxedo waiters serving.

By the late 1980s early 1990s UNMC expansion and growth had completely overwhelmed Clarkson, and by 1997 a merger of Bishop Clarkson Memorial Hospital and University Hospital created the Nebraska Health System (NHS). In 2003, the NHS changed its name to The Nebraska Medical Center. In 2016, The Nebraska Medical Center, Bellevue Medical Center and UNMC Physicians came together to operate under one name: Nebraska Medicine. Today, Nebraska Medicine includes Nebraska Medicine – Nebraska Medical Center, Nebraska Medicine – Bellevue and 40 outpatient clinics, providing patients with access to more than 1,000 physicians and 809-licensed hospital beds in Omaha and Bellevue. CRHS remains a co-owner of Nebraska Medicine with University of Nebraska.

Apparently their is some physical infrastructure and perhaps some "shares" that Clarkson as a fiduciary element still possesses, and this is what is in question.

Have you ever applied to be on Jeopardy?

You'd either have the highest TPB Wonderlic score or be a museum curator...or both. That's a compliment BTW.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

Compared to the newer towers and the Cancer treatment center the older portions of the hospital are Medieval throw backs.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

Have you ever applied to be on Jeopardy?

You'd either have the highest TPB Wonderlic score or be a museum curator...or both. That's a compliment BTW.

I worked at the Cancer Center at UNMC as a field representative for about 10 years. The changes I witnessed before moving twice to out of state locations, and working at places like Charity Hospital in New Orleans (LSU med center) give me an appreciation of this situation. I am retired now.