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[Jim14510]

Absolutely not hyperbole. I want Urban and I want him bad. Idc what he does off the field as long as he wins.

 

[MtnHusker]

If you aren’t trolling, read this article. Might give you a different perspective on Saint Dr. Tom.

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article...d-the-cornhuskers-team-that-no-one-could-beat

it concerns me that so many of our fans turn a blind eye as to what went on with our program under certain coaches, especially The TomFather. The 2 coaches that won us National Championships and made us relevant have as much or more dirty laundry than basically any coaching candidate that has been mentioned. But I guess "Perception is Reality" to them if they have had their head in the sand and believe what s reported by the world herald and other media. Hiding guns for players, playing players arrested for robbing gas stations, playing players accused of sexual assault, turning a blind eye to steroid use, boosters buying recruits, agents meeting with players during the season, tutors doing homework for the players, players driving new cars, witnesses in crimes the players were accused of being contacted in person by the coach, Asst coaches fooling around with the student body,......... it was win at all cost under them

 

[Pepe Silvia]

are we still pretending TO was a good person as head coach?

 

[DrinkItIn]

it concerns me that so many of our fans turn a blind eye as to what went on with our program under certain coaches, especially The TomFather. The 2 coaches that won us National Championships and made us relevant have as much or more dirty laundry than basically any coaching candidate that has been mentioned. But I guess "Perception is Reality" to them if they have had their head in the sand and believe what s reported by the world herald and other media. Hiding guns for players, playing players arrested for robbing gas stations, playing players accused of sexual assault, turning a blind eye to steroid use, boosters buying recruits, agents meeting with players during the season, tutors doing homework for the players, players driving new cars, witnesses in crimes the players were accused of being contacted in person by the coach, Asst coaches fooling around with the student body,......... it was win at all cost under them

Lets not forget that Saint Thom himself took it upon himself to meet and interview the alleged victims of certain sexual assaults. Can you imagine if that happened today! Yikes....

 

[huskerj12]

Please show me one thing above that the great Dr. Tom didn't do as well.

Evil Dr. Tom turned a blind eye and/or inserted himself into some absolutely ridiculous things for a couple years in the 90s, there is no doubt. But the other 20+ years of his career showed legit "good character" and his principles and approach earned him the trust that makes people believe those ridiculous incidents were a string of dumb decisions, rather than thinking he was a phony who treated people like shit to win at all costs. In his 25 years he never had players completely lose their respect for him or turn against him, like Urban has multiple times now in the past 10 years.

I don't think Urban is the devil or anything, and I don't think Osborne is a saint. I just think Urban is pretty clearly a sleazy dude and people are finding it a little too easy to compare his career-long pattern of assholishness to a few extremely(!!!) stupid and crooked moments in Osborne's career.

 

[MtnHusker]

Lets not forget that Saint Thom himself took it upon himself to meet and interview the alleged victims of certain sexual assaults. Can you imagine if that happened today! Yikes....

"Interview" is the choice word. I wonder how many victims and witnesses were intimidated or paid off. One of my buddies is a retired Lincoln PD and has some serious stories about the trouble the players got into back then that was covered up with the help of the The TomFather.

 

[Jim14510]

are we still pretending TO was a good person as head coach?

Absolutely. We will until the end of time. He'll actually become better as the years go by. Everyone knows by now that Devaney was slaying side pieces and nobody cares.

 

[Jim14510]

Lets not forget that Saint Thom himself took it upon himself to meet and interview the alleged victims of certain sexual assaults. Can you imagine if that happened today! Yikes....

He'd be telling cancel stories with Weinstein and Louis CK.

 

[Saudi_aurora]

Al

Absolutely. We will until the end of time. He'll actually become better as the years go by. Everyone knows by now that Devaney was slaying side pieces and nobody cares.

All while drinking every ounce of booze Misty’s in Havelock had on their shelves.

 

[Alcaus]

a few extremely(!!!) stupid and crooked moments in Osborne's career.

My feeling is that Dr. Tom was not some babe in the woods or a fool who got caught up in a bad situation.

He made decisions to protect his program and his players. Justifying what he did because he was full of love and forgiveness that was taken for granted seems like bias to me.

I don't hold that against Nebraska fans but it feels like a double-standard. That said, if Turd wants to "do things the right way" from here on out, fine, but he better not be using the 90's and Osborne as his ethical compass.

 

[huskerj12]

My feeling is that Dr. Tom was not some babe in the woods or a fool who got caught up in a bad situation.

He made decisions to protect his program and his players. Justifying what he did because he was full of love and forgiveness that was taken for granted seems like bias to me.

I don't hold that against Nebraska fans but it feels like a double-standard. That said, if Turd wants to "do things the right way" from here on out, fine, but he better not be using the 90's and Osborne as his ethical compass.

Yeah I agree, my post was more just suggesting that those 90s teams and the shady things that happened during that time were the exception, not the rule, during his 25 year career. Unless now we're all supposed to think he was running a dirty program the entire time? (And I don't really count allegations of steroids or booster shenanigans, every single program did that stuff and every single coach used a "don't ask don't tell" approach)

Anyway, my main point really was that for 25 years Osborne was respected and beloved by his players, who pretty much unanimously believe that he had their best interests at heart and a solid philosophy as a leader. THAT is what I assume @Tsakoi is talking about in his OP, and what guys like Urban and even O'Brien don't have. Osborne was never in danger of "losing the team," let alone being despised by his players.

It's a give and take, some people value personality stuff more than others. I don't feel totally sanctimonious about it, I wouldn't take Mike Riley over Urban or anything like that haha, but my preference would be to have someone who is known for being a good person and leader if he can also win plenty of games.

 

[Alcaus]

Yeah I agree, my point was more that those 90s teams and the shady things that happened during that time were the exception, not the rule, during his 25 year career. Unless now we're all supposed to think he was running a dirty program the entire time? (And I don't really count allegations of steroids or booster shenanigans, every single program did that stuff and every single coach used a "don't ask don't tell" approach)

So we're under the impression that no one around the program abused their wives during the Osborne days? That's the worst thing Urban did imo. Not fire Earle Bruce's grandson because of his domestic abuse shit.

I'm not justifying it, I'm saying the lack of imagination on your part is surprising. 😉

 

[MtnHusker]

So we're under the impression that no one around the program abused their wives during the Osborne days? That's the worst thing Urban did imo. Not fire Earle Bruce's grandson because of his domestic abuse shit.

I'm not justifying it, I'm saying the lack of imagination on your part is surprising. 😉

Or no asst coaches slept with some of the student body, cheated on their wives, got into fights...... it was a different time back then so I don't think it is fair when I compare them to now but it is Mind Bottling to think that some fans think The TomFather ran the program based on his Christian Beliefs. I played football with some of his players and GA's, and one who later became an Asst at Nebraska. Heard waaaaaayyyyyy to many stories of the crazy crap that was going on with the players off the field back in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. But it was a different time and we didn't have cell phones with cameras, Facebook, Twitter, Snap Chat.........

 

[Alcaus]

Or no asst coaches slept with some of the student body, cheated on their wives, got into fights...... it was a different time back then so I don't think it is fair when I compare them to now but it is Mind Bottling to think that some fans think The TomFather ran the program based on his Christian Beliefs. I played football with some of his players and GA's, and one who later became an Asst at Nebraska. Heard waaaaaayyyyyy to many stories of the crazy crap that was going on with the players off the field back in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. But it was a different time and we didn't have cell phones with cameras, Facebook, Twitter, Snap Chat.........

The fact that the fear of not having whatever you do at any given moment video-taped or photographed and widely disseminated almost instantly alone is enough for me to bet that things were not always handled "The Nebraska Way"... or were they?

 

[Jim14510]

we didn't have cell phones with cameras, Facebook, Twitter, Snap Chat.........

This is the main difference. If Urb coached in the 80s he'd probably be considered for sainthood.

 

[Jay Bilzerian]

Yeah I agree, my post was more just suggesting that those 90s teams and the shady things that happened during that time were the exception, not the rule, during his 25 year career. Unless now we're all supposed to think he was running a dirty program the entire time? (And I don't really count allegations of steroids or booster shenanigans, every single program did that stuff and every single coach used a "don't ask don't tell" approach)

Anyway, my main point really was that for 25 years Osborne was respected and beloved by his players, who pretty much unanimously believe that he had their best interests at heart and a solid philosophy as a leader. THAT is what I assume @Tsakoi is talking about in his OP, and what guys like Urban and even O'Brien don't have. Osborne was never in danger of "losing the team," let alone being despised by his players.

It's a give and take, some people value personality stuff more than others. I don't feel totally sanctimonious about it, I wouldn't take Mike Riley over Urban or anything like that haha, but my preference would be to have someone who is known for being a good person and leader if he can also win plenty of games.

Of course they’re gonna like the guy that kept them out of prison.

 

[huskerj12]

Fair enough I tap out

 

[whoboppin]

Do you think Kentucky regrets hiring Calipari? Urban can be our Calipari. Worst case he is Pitino. I'd take either.

 

[huskerj12]

Do you think Kentucky regrets hiring Calipari? Urban can be out Calipari. Worst case he is Pitino. I'd take either.

Haha great comparison actually

 

[Huskerbuck85]

I have a hard time reading so many of you who are willing to put up with any and all off the field scandals in order to have a coach that would win more games. You'd be willing to sell your souls for wins over Illinois and Cockeyes? I hope most of it is hyperbole. You know the stuff and cocaine and hookers being ok, just win baby. I want to win AND I want to do it with our ethics, morals and image intact. Lots of you want to pay top dollar for the next coach but if you are paying top dollar then you should expect wins along with the saintly image.


Scenarios:
Worst case: Bad coach/Bad person = Frost
Bad case: Bad coach/ Good person = Riley
Ok case: Good coach/ Bad Person = Urban
Best case: Good coach/ Good person = T.O

And since we have the ability to pay top dollar then that means we should pay for a top notch person. Paying top dollar for a guy that will create scandals is not a proper use of use of the big money we seem to be willing to spend.

*by scandals I mean ones the coach creates. Not the ones his players create. No coach can control all of his players.

Thanks for your input Tom Osborne.