So my 7th grader has a "transitioning" teacher

[Jim14510]

How many bottles of vodka would it take to fuck it?

FIFY

 

[Black Dean]

FIFY

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

Wife and I started watching the Manti Te'o doc on Netflix last night. Jesus-jumped-up-shit, what a weird, sad, strange story.

Spoiler: Spoiler Alert

The guy who catfished Manti is now a trans female.

 

[Jim14510]

Ok I'm not above making fun of people (obviously) but ultimately if she wants to go by he idgaf. As some have said he more than likely just wants to be treated like any other teacher. Whether it's a mental disorder or not his life certainly isn't easier by making this change.

I would imagine in most cases the ultimate issue is the fear that your kid would be influenced/harmed by this person in their life. Personally I think the best chance to avoid that is to not make a big deal out of it.

If the worst thing that comes out of this is your kid calls him Mr. instead of Miss I think he'll be OK. Maybe give him a real chance like you would any other teacher?

 

[huskermack]

Ok I'm not above making fun of people (obviously) but ultimately if she wants to go by he idgaf. As some have said he more than likely just wants to be treated like any other teacher. Whether it's a mental disorder or not his life certainly isn't easier by making this change.

I would imagine in most cases the ultimate issue is the fear that your kid would be influenced/harmed by this person in their life. Personally I think the best chance to avoid that is to not make a big deal out of it.

If the worst thing that comes out of this is your kid calls him Mr. instead of Miss I think he'll be OK. Maybe give him a real chance like you would any other teacher?

Jeez Jim.
Making me feel bad by being reasonable ffs.

 

[doublewing]

Wife and I started watching the Manti Te'o doc on Netflix last night. Jesus-jumped-up-shit, what a weird, sad, strange story.

Spoiler: Spoiler Alert

The guy who catfished Manti is now a trans female.

Watched it as well.

It is equal parts weird on Manti's part as it is on the fake GF. I felt bad for him as Manti seems like a really decent guy but he was way too easy of a mark for this. I think that having a fake GF was useful for him.

 

[ThomOsborneMD]

Any trans person I've ever met has been totally normal and friendly and very understanding about accidentally messing up pronouns. They're people who just want to go about their lives with a little bit of benefit of the doubt and grace from the rest of us. I bet your kid's teacher will be the same, unless they're an unusually strict teacher for some reason.

But that’s not the MAGA “groomers” talking point. So get out of here with that.

 

[jw3]

to actually give serious advice for once:

1. My guess is if you give the teacher a chance and not make the trans thing a big deal, your kid won't either. kids today have been surrounded by LGBT much more than we were so unless you're sitting there at the dinner table ridiculing the teacher every night, it's not going to be a big deal to your kid.


2. every trans person I've met has been understanding of inadvertent slip ups with Pronouns so long as you're not just being a dick to antagonize them. if your kid has any aspirations in life he's going to meet and work with other trans people so use it as an opportunity to teach him that regardless of how you feel about it, they still deserve basic human decency in every day interactions.

 

[alt f4]

Any trans person I've ever met has been totally normal and friendly and very understanding about accidentally messing up pronouns. They're people who just want to go about their lives with a little bit of benefit of the doubt and grace from the rest of us. I bet your kid's teacher will be the same, unless they're an unusually strict teacher for some reason.

My wife's step brother is trans and he acts more like a dude than I do. Full beard, goes hunting, drives a truck for a living, has 3 kids and a wife. Aside from being short, you'd never guess that he was born female. I've also never had a conversation with him about being trans, he just wants to live his life as a regular guy.

Ok I'm not above making fun of people (obviously) but ultimately if she wants to go by he idgaf. As some have said he more than likely just wants to be treated like any other teacher. Whether it's a mental disorder or not his life certainly isn't easier by making this change.

I would imagine in most cases the ultimate issue is the fear that your kid would be influenced/harmed by this person in their life. Personally I think the best chance to avoid that is to not make a big deal out of it.

If the worst thing that comes out of this is your kid calls him Mr. instead of Miss I think he'll be OK. Maybe give him a real chance like you would any other teacher?

To add another layer to this story is a niece extremely close to our family and boys is non-binary and starting to grow leg hair, pit hair, and actually talked about transitioning to a male. She talked to my wife about it at length and wants to be call by her first initial and pronouns of the Zs (Zim, Zimself, Zis). She's is very forgiving to me and especially my boys when they say her or by her full female name. We may not agree with her, but we and she knows we love her and let her live her life as she wants.

There are two very distinct sides of this, one group gets upset, angry, or possibly force the social discussion onto others and one group just wants to live their life and is understanding when those pronouns or name gets mixed up. I hate to say there is a stereotype, but looking at social media profiles is pretty easy to see what group they might fall in.

If the teacher is anything like our niece, then it's a non-issue. Admittedly my fear is the teacher uses her position to influence these kids to promote social or political agenda. I don't know this teacher, but the way my son explained her reaction and her postings on social media indicates that my fear is somewhat rational.

 

[Driveway Jordan]

JFC. It's hard enough being a kid without have to determine what gender someone is. It's gotta be a real mind-fuck to see a chick with boobs, but wants to be referred to as he/him/mr.

 

[Driveway Jordan]

But that’s not the MAGA “groomers” talking point. So get out of here with that.

Gender is a social construct. Biology be damned.

 

[Jim14510]

JFC. It's hard enough being a kid without have to determine what gender someone is. It's gotta be a real mind-fuck to see a chick with boobs, but wants to be referred to as he/him/mr.

Especially middle school age. You're so fucked in the brain at that point anyway.

 

[ThomOsborneMD]

Gender is a social construct. Biology be damned.

Wouldn’t biology dictate “sex” not “gender”? And honestly who cares?

 

[Driveway Jordan]

Wouldn’t biology dictate “sex” not “gender”?

Should there be a difference? I was taught in Biology that there were 2 genders.

I can tell you a lot of people care. My niece teaches 4th grade in Lincoln and has a student that is "transitioning." 4th grade. Wouldn't use either restroom, and refused to use the restroom in the nurse's office when that was offered as a compromise. It's a clusterfuck. Kids don't know what to think, teachers walk on eggshells, the administration has to make massive accommodations...all because the parents of a 4th grader decided to let a kid "choose" his gender.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

to actually give serious advice for once:

1. My guess is if you give the teacher a chance and not make the trans thing a big deal, your kid won't either. kids today have been surrounded by LGBT much more than we were so unless you're sitting there at the dinner table ridiculing the teacher every night, it's not going to be a big deal to your kid.


2. every trans person I've met has been understanding of inadvertent slip ups with Pronouns so long as you're not just being a dick to antagonize them. if your kid has any aspirations in life he's going to meet and work with other trans people so use it as an opportunity to teach him that regardless of how you feel about it, they still deserve basic human decency in every day interactions.

Ok. Who the fuck hacked JW?

 

[Jim14510]

Jeez Jim.
Making me feel bad by being reasonable ffs.

Amazingly this turned into a fairly productive conversation. I get the awkwardness of @alt f4 position. The world is weird right now and the pendulum is swinging too far in the opposite direction on this topic imo.

It's good for kids to experience all walks of life to get as broad of a perspective as they can. Personally think tolerance and understanding of other people's ideas and feelings is almost non existent these days on lots of topics. Being able to respectfully disagree with someone is a rare trait.

That goes both ways. Naturally a person in this situation is expecting to be met with friction. Wouldn't be terribly surprising that his own parents disowned them. Doesn't give them the excuse to be abrasive to a 12 year old kid on making an honest mistake.

Also doesn't give them the right to go beyond tolerance of differences and push his beliefs. If the parents and teachers beliefs strongly conflict with one another and each of them continue to remind the kid why the other is wrong neither are helping the situation. Not that this is what's happening here. Just in general.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Amazingly this turned into a fairly productive conversation. I get the awkwardness of @alt f4 position. The world is weird right now and the pendulum is swinging too far in the opposite direction on this topic imo.

It's good for kids to experience all walks of life to get as broad of a perspective as they can. Personally think tolerance and understanding of other people's ideas and feelings is almost non existent these days on lots of topics. Being able to respectfully disagree with someone is a rare trait.

That goes both ways. Naturally a person in this situation is expecting to be met with friction. Wouldn't be terribly surprising that his own parents disowned them. Doesn't give them the excuse to be abrasive to a 12 year old kid on making an honest mistake.

Also doesn't give them the right to go beyond tolerance of differences and push his beliefs. If the parents and teachers beliefs strongly conflict with one another and each of them continue to remind the kid why the other is wrong neither are helping the situation. Not that this is what's happening here. Just in general.

My understanding of how things generally tend to go is that the kids don't give a fuck and the parents act like the world is ending

 

[Black Dean]

My understanding of how things generally tend to go is that the kids don't give a fuck and the parents act like the world is ending

Till they bring an AK47 to class

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Till they bring an AK47 to class

A bit of an overreaction, iwbh

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Clicked on the thread hoping for a hot tranny Teacher.

Same with @kenyanfeline