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My name for the town is Butt, MT. The asshole of the state. Literally one of the most toxic places in the country, with what used to be the largest copper mine in the country, maybe the world. The old pit copper mine is a blight on the whole area. Just ugly, and many a murdered person has been dumped into the very, very deep uber toxic mine "waters" over the years. Supposedly the entire body is gone, like an acid bath.

But the mining here has literally made this a toxic waste dump. There are a few old money families here who control most everything and have kept the rest of the town down. And convinced the people here to buy into their bullshit on how/why they do this. It is a corrupt town, top to bottom. City/county administration, police, you name it, it is corrupt. So many here live in housing that is beyond pathetic, and have been trained to be "proud" of the "history" of this old shithole. What the reality is, there is so much unbelievably horrible, run down housing here and people think it is some kind of badge of honor to live in white trash shitholes. They go in debt for expensive trucks and campers, but live in houses that have tarps over the roof the condition is so bad.

Super high cancer rates here from the toxicity of all the mining. That is never going away in our lifetimes, it is what mining like this does to an area. Mining is a very hard job, which leads to people living hard also. Drinking and drug problems are rampant here, and at one point, if not still, this town had more bars per capita than anywhere in the country. People are bass ackwards here, true little man syndrome where they convince themselves how great they are, while turning a bling eye to the horrible societal makeup of hard drinking, hard living, and backwards thinking of living in what is basically poverty from all of this. Just a toxic place in all ways.

My ex wife was from here, which is why I moved here back in 2001 when I decided to make a change, get out of my thriving home building business in Lincoln, NE and move to the mountains. I have relatives in Colorado, Vail to be exact, so grew up going there to ski/visit and the mountains have always called to me. I bought 4 franchised small retails stores in the state in 2001 and moved out here. Ran those, but was still also a contractor picking up jobs part time. All that while building my own house. Very busy.

Once we moved here, which I was warned by my ex wife (we were married then), if I really knew what I was getting into moving to Butte, MT, things went to shit quickly. I scoffed at her, said I grew up on a large hog farm in northeast NE, I am sure I can handle Butte. Boy was I wrong. She went totally off the rails as soon as we moved here. Got in with her old friend group, which consisted of hard party people, and things spiraled quicly with our marriage. We were never a good fit anyway, but her being back to her hard party stomping grounds was the end.

I do love the mountains, try to ski a lot (the closest ski hill, about an hour away, has super cheap year passes), so I try to take advantage of things like that here. White water rafting is also a favorite of mine, and have rafted most of the rivers in the state. I have explored all over the mountains of the state, and during the couple of decent weather months of July and August, that is really fun.

I don't hunt, but if I did this would be a dream location. We have so many elk on our land it is crazy. Moose, bear of course deer (whitetail and muleuy) are in abundance. Have seen wolves, a brief glimpse of a mountain lion twice, bobcats - you name it, they are here. Fly fishing has always appealed to me, hell one of the reasons Montana was high on my list is from the movie A River Runs Through It. But like all movies or shows based on Montana, it is not reality. Take the show Yellowstone for example. Talk about not even close to any semblance of reality of Montana. I don't fly fish much anymore, but do love it. Hell, 99% of the fish I catch in a year are on my parents private lake in northeast NE - talk about a lunker almost every cast. And I fly fish 99% of the time on their lake, too. There is something about fly fishing that is so much more elegant than rod and reel.

But the very long winters have been wearing on me. I don't want to suffer through the much longer. They are brutal. Plus this town, which is economically horrible, offers almost no opportunity (there usually aren't ever even any new subdivisions to go buy a lot to build a spec house here for instance) for being a builder. Instead, I end up working a lot on old shithole houses, most of which in this town are literally 5 feet apart as that is how close they built to each other for much of the 20th century, working on broken down old shit that many should just be bulldozed in, not money sunk into them. The city/county government has actively prevented expansion of new housing (I had to pull teeth to buy my 20 acres and build on it), and does not allow new box store businesses in because the old money here does not want progress, they see it as a threat to their old money businesses. Thus, people here have to travel out of town to Helena, Bozeman, Missoula for any real shopping that isn't Walmart. But people here bitch up a storm about those towns and any out of stater that has moved here. They don't want progress, they want to stick their heads in the dirt and fingers in their ears and block out anything that isn't ingrained "them". I've never seen a more insecure bunch of people than this town has.

So I don't plan on being here much longer. Unfortunately, that means not seeing my 22 and 23 yr old daughers much. They both need to get out of here too, but the toxicity and ingrained insecurity of daring to move somewhere else is wired deep into them from this backwards community. Which makes it a hard decision to make a major life change for me which will mean not seeing them regularly. But that is where I think I am heading on all of this, likely sooner than later.
Ho Lee Shit. Butt sounds awful, like a town in a bad movie. Who are you related to in Vail? I was there for over a dozen years and still know a good chunk of the town. Loved that place but got way too expensive to move back to after my daughter left for college.
 
Ho Lee Shit. Butt sounds awful, like a town in a bad movie. Who are you related to in Vail? I was there for over a dozen years and still know a good chunk of the town. Loved that place but got way too expensive to move back to after my daughter left for college.

Yeah, I hate it here. 8 degrees right now and dropping. Snowed every day for days on end, it is the middle of bitter winter here already. Been basically unworkable outside all week. I will brave it tomorrow afternoon to get a smaller 2K job done though. It is still gonna be cold, and probably 8 to 12 total inches of snow by then. It's gonna suck, lol.

They are family on my mom's side, they used to own the Alaskan shop, a really unique little shop where several times a year he would fly up to Alaska and buy hand made goods from eskimos. I am betting you were in there at some point, they had some pricey stuff - some pieces at times over 100K, as big money flows into Vail as you know. A lot of their stuff would be bought by wealthy families from Mexico who came to Vail to ski often.

And they still own a record/collecting store in town. The father passed a couple years back (he was in his 80's), his wife and son still run the record store. They sold their house on the east end of town a while back. Went spent a lot of time there in the winters skiing and staying with them. Their detached garage had living qtrs above it, we stayed there. Eventually we started branching out to other ski hills and rarely skiied Vail after that, so we quit staying with them much once we started staying at other resort areas. Often we would stay in the Dillon/Silverthorne area a lot.

My dad did some big condo projects and a few spec houses in Dillon/Silverthorne back when I was just getting done with college. So I went out there and helped him build those out. My brother lived in Dillon for a year or two while I was in college (he was fresh out of high school). He worked at a ski shop at the base of Keystone. Mom and Dad had bought a condo there for him to live in those couple of years.... lol they always babied him. He got to party, ski and live the life of a ski bum during that time.

I really like CO, do like Vail but wouldn't want to live there as the cost of living would be quite high. I did look into buying a retail franchised business in Vail, and several others in the mountains in CO before deciding to make the move to MT. That was in late 2000, early 2001, and the prices of everything in the CO mountains was very high, even then. Was not a financial decision that made any sense, unfortunately, to get into those businesses and move there. Those businesses would never have penciled out at the cost they asked to buy them (a mil or more per business).
 
Yeah, I hate it here. 8 degrees right now and dropping. Snowed every day for days on end, it is the middle of bitter winter here already. Been basically unworkable outside all week. I will brave it tomorrow afternoon to get a smaller 2K job done though. It is still gonna be cold, and probably 8 to 12 total inches of snow by then. It's gonna suck, lol.

They are family on my mom's side, they used to own the Alaskan shop, a really unique little shop where several times a year he would fly up to Alaska and buy hand made goods from eskimos. I am betting you were in there at some point, they had some pricey stuff - some pieces at times over 100K, as big money flows into Vail as you know. A lot of their stuff would be bought by wealthy families from Mexico who came to Vail to ski often.

And they still own a record/collecting store in town. The father passed a couple years back (he was in his 80's), his wife and son still run the record store. They sold their house on the east end of town a while back. Went spent a lot of time there in the winters skiing and staying with them. Their detached garage had living qtrs above it, we stayed there. Eventually we started branching out to other ski hills and rarely skiied Vail after that, so we quit staying with them much once we started staying at other resort areas. Often we would stay in the Dillon/Silverthorne area a lot.

My dad did some big condo projects and a few spec houses in Dillon/Silverthorne back when I was just getting done with college. So I went out there and helped him build those out. My brother lived in Dillon for a year or two while I was in college (he was fresh out of high school). He worked at a ski shop at the base of Keystone. Mom and Dad had bought a condo there for him to live in those couple of years.... lol they always babied him. He got to party, ski and live the life of a ski bum during that time.

I really like CO, do like Vail but wouldn't want to live there as the cost of living would be quite high. I did look into buying a retail franchised business in Vail, and several others in the mountains in CO before deciding to make the move to MT. That was in late 2000, early 2001, and the prices of everything in the CO mountains was very high, even then. Was not a financial decision that made any sense, unfortunately, to get into those businesses and move there. Those businesses would never have penciled out at the cost they asked to buy them (a mil or more per business).
I remember the Alaskan Shop. Was on East Gore Creek Drive. Cool ass store, and yes had some expensive things in there. It was amazing the number of rich Mexicans that had places in Vail. Got all kinds of stories dealing with them over the years. It was my understanding that 1 rich Mexican Family came up to visit and loved it there. Their friends would visit and also like it so would buy a place. It just grew organically through word of mouth. Most just came up for Christmas Week and Easter Week. The rest of the year their big ass houses sat empty. My roomie was a manager at Gorsuch. He had Mexican families walk in and spend over $25,000 in less than 20 minutes. One family literally walked in and the dad said I want two of the most expensive ski suits each for me, my wife and my 3 kids. They were $1,600 each, so $16,000 just in Ski Suits. Then he wanted the most expensive glasses, goggles, hats, skis, boots and gloves for everybody also. Almost got into a brawl with one group from Mexico City because they wouldn't leave. The concert was over and we had to close up. They refused to leave and told me I had to keep the bar open for them. Explained that it was against Colorado Liquor Laws to serve after 2 am and they told me they would pay the fine. One was getting so mad that he said he was going to write a check to buy my place just so he could fire me. I handed him a pen and spelled out my last name for him, and he didn't like that.

I knew a married couple who were the caretakers for a house owned by a very wealthy Columbian Family. Most likely Drug Cartel money. They had a bunker built in the basement. Was a a huge ass house and they spent money on lots of toys for it. Had a theater room with a sound system that cost over $100,000. The couples job was to live in it year round taking care of it and when the family came out they had to cook plus drive them around cuz they were scared to drive on snow. The rest of the year they just made sure the yard & flower beds looked good. Even had a maid service that came in every week to clean it. They got paid $80,000/yr to live in that amazing house and barely work. Even got to driver around their Range Rover when they weren't there. All utilities paid, maintenance, maid service......... everything paid for except they had to buy was their own food and booze. And they said that the week that the family would come out they would send a shopping list that was epic. And a Liquor List that was equally impressive. It was nothing for them to buy over $5,000 worth of groceries & booze for a 7 day visit. And then they would eat and drink everything that was left over. The family only came out a couple weeks out of the year.
 
I remember the Alaskan Shop. Was on East Gore Creek Drive. Cool ass store, and yes had some expensive things in there. It was amazing the number of rich Mexicans that had places in Vail. Got all kinds of stories dealing with them over the years. It was my understanding that 1 rich Mexican Family came up to visit and loved it there. Their friends would visit and also like it so would buy a place. It just grew organically through word of mouth. Most just came up for Christmas Week and Easter Week. The rest of the year their big ass houses sat empty. My roomie was a manager at Gorsuch. He had Mexican families walk in and spend over $25,000 in less than 20 minutes. One family literally walked in and the dad said I want two of the most expensive ski suits each for me, my wife and my 3 kids. They were $1,600 each, so $16,000 just in Ski Suits. Then he wanted the most expensive glasses, goggles, hats, skis, boots and gloves for everybody also. Almost got into a brawl with one group from Mexico City because they wouldn't leave. The concert was over and we had to close up. They refused to leave and told me I had to keep the bar open for them. Explained that it was against Colorado Liquor Laws to serve after 2 am and they told me they would pay the fine. One was getting so mad that he said he was going to write a check to buy my place just so he could fire me. I handed him a pen and spelled out my last name for him, and he didn't like that.

I knew a married couple who were the caretakers for a house owned by a very wealthy Columbian Family. Most likely Drug Cartel money. They had a bunker built in the basement. Was a a huge ass house and they spent money on lots of toys for it. Had a theater room with a sound system that cost over $100,000. The couples job was to live in it year round taking care of it and when the family came out they had to cook plus drive them around cuz they were scared to drive on snow. The rest of the year they just made sure the yard & flower beds looked good. Even had a maid service that came in every week to clean it. They got paid $80,000/yr to live in that amazing house and barely work. Even got to driver around their Range Rover when they weren't there. All utilities paid, maintenance, maid service......... everything paid for except they had to buy was their own food and booze. And they said that the week that the family would come out they would send a shopping list that was epic. And a Liquor List that was equally impressive. It was nothing for them to buy over $5,000 worth of groceries & booze for a 7 day visit. And then they would eat and drink everything that was left over. The family only came out a couple weeks out of the year.
The Sebastian in Vail is owned by a Mexican family with alleged ties to the cartels. The story goes that the son of the owner was kidnapped by their own bodyguards and held for ransom I don't remember all the details of what exactly happened, but the son ended up dying and that is why the hotel is named the Sebastian because that was the son's name. One of my wife's friends worked there for a while and one day while she was driving her dad's big ass pickup and she backed it right into the owners new Maserati GranTurismo, the underground parking is really tight, I don't know what the hell she was thinking but somehow, she kept her job.

I know a guy that takes care of about 4-5 houses in the valley. He just goes up and checks on the properties once and a while and makes sure everything is ok and if the people are coming into town, he will make sure the fridge is full and things like that. Makes 6 figures doing just that bought himself a nice townhouse, car, etc. Just living the life.
 
I met a very nice young woman on a cruise ship in 1985. I was living in Lincoln at "The Castle" on 19th & D streets at the time, and she was from Walnut Creek, CA. We decided to have a private reunion in Vail at her Uncle David's house in Vail. On Gore Creek. 12 bedroom home with a gigantic hot tub with a retractable roof just off the master BR that looked down on Gore Creek.

Still carry a scar on my left hand from that interlude. We were fornicating in front of the fireplace when the logs let loose and one of them came rolling right at her head. I swatted it away from her with the back of my left hand, saved the day ... and the moment. Finished "308 strong" with a creampie, @God is a Husker, THEN went to the kitchen to run some cold water on it and look for ointment & bandages.

We also reunited for a weekend at Carmel, where i felt like I was expected to "take our relationship to the next level". I did not. If marrying for $$$ was the goal, I probably should have locked that down.
 
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