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Well, if we suspend the measurables and whatnot for a moment and presume that all things are relatively comparable between Flynt and Ingerwerson, for tPB it HAS to come down to the Mom pics. It's science.
Herbie’s Hangout Relationships and In-State Recruiting
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Herbie’s Hangout Relationships and In-State Recruiting
You cant win with instate recruiting. You don't offer a guy in like May before his junior season and you are suddenly disrespecting them.
You get mad Nebraska didnt offer your oldest son like 3 staffs ago, but dont hold the same grudge against other programs who didnt offer your older son when offering your younger son.
They want Nebraska to recruit kids like they would across the country, but also would get mad if Nebraska had non-commitable offers to instate kids.
You get mad Nebraska didnt offer your oldest son like 3 staffs ago, but dont hold the same grudge against other programs who didnt offer your older son when offering your younger son.
They want Nebraska to recruit kids like they would across the country, but also would get mad if Nebraska had non-commitable offers to instate kids.
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Football in Texas is no joke, that's for sure. I'm not advocating that Flynt shouldn't have an offer, or Ingwerson should have one over him. But their stats are basically the same, offers basically the same, Ingwerson a bit bigger, Flynt probably more explosive. Pros and Cons to each. But with our staff offering Ingwerson they at least wanted him just like they wanted Flynt, which is my point with the relationships.
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I appreciate the sentiment from Rhule, but the reality is it will happen again. There will always be some guy some out-of-state school grades higher and offers that Nebraska does not want.
You can't convince me Rezac fell through the cracks or hadn't been vetted by our new staff yet. We have offered numerous of his teammates. One of them was the first offer the new staff made. Some of our coaches probably have Westside's film memorized. They had to have evaluated Teddy, and they did not offer him. Then Notre Dame swoops in and makes an offer. Does that mean our staff did something wrong? Or did ND just have a different evaluation that was more favorable than apparently any other Power Five team?
It seems like Rhule and our staff might be trying to save face here rather than they suddenly really wanted this player on May 12 when they didn't think he was offer worthy on May 8.
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To your point, someone that fits with what Illinois does may not fit with where Rhule and Nebraska are going from a scheme standpoint. I do think Rezac was undervalued, but as you brought up, it's not like they didn't know about him.
As I said before, there are always going to be guys that other schools value more than what Nebraska grades them at. I get that especially from looking at our guys compared to Texas recruits. To be fair, not sure how you could make room for Smith, Flynt, Ingwerson, and Nelson anyway when we only have 20 kids we can probably bring in this class.
I'll be curious how they move forward with this. Rhule did a masterful job laying out what was happening to the Bell West coaches, he's probably needing to do a little of that with Westside coaches currently with Rezac (x2) and Benning, and I know they have been very well received in the Omaha and Lincoln areas. Honesty is basically all the coaches are looking for which may have escaped some previous staffs. Or too honest, as I said in one of my articles where Ruud told a coach "if it were up to me he would have an offer already, but since he's in-state we can't miss. If he was from Florida he would have an offer already."
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You brought up Benning. I wonder what is going on there?
We brought in a ton of DB's this past weekend and are feeling pretty good about most of them. They just offered that 6-5 safety at the satellite camp in Texas this week and he's already scheduled a visit for next week. Yet Benning has not scheduled an official yet. Is he a plan B for us?
To quote ol' Deaner on this week's HOL podcast: "As far as defensive back recruiting goes, if you don't fit the profile Evan Cooper is looking for, which is long, rangy, athletic, track times, a guy they can build up, then they're not going after you."
They were talking about some of the recent DB offers, but my mind went to Benning right away. Except for the athletic part, he doesn't fit that description at all.
If he's not top of the list for NU, and there seems to be nothing that points to him being a high priority, I think Rhule is communicating well with him and his family. Damon is constantly singing Rhule's praises on the air. He even admitted to having a man crush on Rhule last week. So whatever is or is not happening with Caleb's recruiting, it hasn't damaged his dad's opinion of NU at all. So that leads me to think maybe there is some Kaelin-style communication going on in the background.
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To be fair, if high school competition matters in the discussion, then Carter Nelson shouldn't earn a scholarship offer from any D1 program.
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Part of what we are seeing is a change in the number of TEs and WRs. Historically we carried a total of around 18 TEs and WRs, about 2/3 WRs and 1/3 TEs. In the current offense it will be about 50-50 (the increase in TEs and decrease in WRs being a shift to hybrid TE/WRs).
We have 7 TEs on the roster. Gilbert was preliminarily expected to leave after this year and go to the NFL - the staff committed to get him ready. The rest - 6 - return. So we could take 3 "TEs", or maybe 4 if they expect to eventually move one of the in-line TEs to OT. Or if they expect additional attrition.
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Yes, but the interest in him is largely based on other objective athletic measurable, not his tape or stats - 7 ft high jump, 11.05 100M as a soph, his height and frame. If he didn't have that he wouldn't have been offered. In contrast, Flynt is faster than Ingwerson and jumps higher and faces better competition.
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It matters and he still should have offers. Just because it matters doesn't mean it's the only thing that matters.
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Pry need to meet with them first, then gradually build relationship over time
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I agree, maybe the insinuation was that Foley didn't know about the kid bc he doesn't have the relationship with the coach yet? Sounded like a pretty obvious kid that'd get a look.
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Foley is doing the job of a “goodwill ambassador” in most of these schools and has been making introductions and showing face so that when the staff does come back and they are recruiting it doesn’t come across as just showing up when they want something (the sweat equity SSO is talking about).
It sounded to me like he and the coach from the other program just had a different objective and that allowed different flexibility. He came in with the objective of asking specifically about the player with the goal of recruiting him. Maybe it’s fair to criticize Foley for not leaving the coach feeling more validated if he brought the player up specifically or communicating the purpose of his visit to better manage expectations, but in the end if his introductory trips to these schools are being compared to recruiting trips by established staffs, I’m not sure I fault Foley for the HS coaches impression of the visit.
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to me it all sounds like a HS coach complaining to complain. did the coach tell Foley about that player while he was there?
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Right now the peasants believe they have the upper hand since the past decade has been an embarrassment so it’s easy to steer kids in the direction that suits ur personal agendas.
It’s a cliche to say winning cures all but if Rhule can do that & develop nfl talent, it’s pretty hard to manipulate a kid into going elsewhere cuz of ur personal bs. It’ll flip the mindset from an expectation to one of the chosen
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From Inside Nebraska on Benning today (snippet):
Omaha (Neb.) Westside defensive back Caleb Benning was in Lincoln for an unofficial visit to Nebraska Friday morning.
According to Benning, one of the top uncommitted recruits in the state, the goal of the visit was to figure out where both side stood in his recruitment. He met with Huskers' defensive backs coach Evan Cooper, who was recently in Texas along with head coach Matt Rhule and other members of the staff for a satellite camp.
"He just felt like I wasn't reaching out as much and showing that I want Nebraska, so we talked about where Nebraska lines up in terms of my recruitment," Benning said. "I explained to him I don't want to go somewhere where I'm not wanted, so it kind of went both ways. I want to be wanted and he wanted to be wanted."
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According to Benning, both parties came out of the visit on the same page and with a better understanding. Benning is planning to set up an official visit at the end of this month.
He also said he is not going to commit until after his high school season. Will we have DB spots left by then? Will we save a spot?
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He plays QB in a wildcat set most of the time for Analsworth. I still think he’s going to be a Sunday guy though
Would be interesting to see how he’d fair as a full-time TE/Receiver at a place like Bellevue West.
He plays QB in a wildcat set most of the time for Analsworth. I still think he’s going to be a Sunday guy though
