Nebraska Basketball expectations (NSFW)

[DrinkItIn]

This is long, I know, so I added some boobs at the end. Thanks for reading!

I posted this on Insider, but instead of having a meaningful discussion, most of the comments were people bitching about Hoiberg. In retrospect, I ought to have foreseen this and posted it on a more knowledgeable board with good looking posters like tPB.

Anyhow, what are the Nebraska basketball expectations for the fans on this board. Many think for Fred, it should be NCAA Tournament or bust next year.

Nebraska has been terrible, and as a fan of Nebraska basketball for over 40 years, I have heard many people say that "there is no reason why NU cannot excel in basketball."

However, the most recent successful period for Nebraska was between 1990 and 1994, when they made four consecutive NCAA tournaments. Since then, they have only made it to the tournament 3 times, with no sustained success under any coach except for that brief four-year period under Danny Nee. This begs the question: why has no coach been able to maintain or achieve success at NU?

Nebraska is the only P5 team without a tournament win, and the closest comparison to Nebraska in this regard would be Northwestern. Under Chris Collins, Northwestern has only made two NCAA tournaments in the last 10 years (2 all-time), and their record is 133-150. While they had an incredible year, would Nebraska fans be content with a run like that at Northwestern?

It is challenging to set expectations for Nebraska because the team lacks a real track record of long-term basketball success. Fans have been waiting for over 30 years to see the team perform at a high level since that short 4-year stint in the early 90s.

Hoiberg will get another chance next year. Is it true that the team's ability to reach the NCAA tournament will be the only factor used to determine his success?

Nebraska had a record of 16-16, and it is obvious that they will have to improve upon it in the upcoming season. However, would Turd consider making a change if the team had a successful NIT run instead? Given Nebraska's history of lackluster results, right or wrong, I guess I would be surprised if that were the case. I have a strange feelingn that Turd will give Fred the space he thinks he needs. Nobody really knows how long it might take to build something sustainable in Nebraska because there hasn't been a long history of success there.

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[jickey moseph]

Just don't be like Simple. It's a silly argument, but this same man was coming up with every excuse in the book for Frost & Co. Unbelievable.

 

[Snockered69]

The perception of why Nebraska basketball should be in the NCAA tourney every other year is the amount of resources devoted to the endeavor. There is no reason they shouldn’t make it. All the resources have been there for the last 10 years besides coaching and enough quality players. If we didn’t devote as much money as we do to Men’s basketball I believe people wouldn’t care as much about the record.

Now how to reach the tourney. Imo you need two quality bigs in the BIG to win consistently and have enough to make the NCAAs. Nebraskas only quality all around Bigs in the last twenty years that I can think of are Alek Maric (is god) and Derrick Walker. Not great.

 

[djw004]

Good Looking tPB poster here

If we are talking expectations - it's hard to tie to a specific program because there is so much parody in the conference. You see all of these solid programs ping ponging between being let downs and being a national power. Purdoodoo (they always blow it but are solid), Indianus, Michigan, Mich St, Maryland, Wisconsin (other than the past 2 years, the most consistent), Ohio St suddenly sucks but generally is solid...I don't see us ever being equivalent to the heights those programs have all reached to be honest.

BUT - I look at Minnesota's run they had through the 2010's. I look at Cockeys currently, making the tourney at a similar clip as that era of Minnesota. They were both respected and solid. Never an easy beat and basically make every other tournament. If we were doing that, and get a FUCKING tournament win, to me that's the most realistic expectation we can have. To be a middling B1G team. That's going to get you to the tourney at least 50% of your years.

I've stated before - I think that's acheivable. I don't know that Hoiberg gets us there. He went on a great run to finish the season to salvage a .500 season. I'd rather see us move away from the "hire a big respected name" route and do 1 of 2 things. We either identify upcoming talent and give them their first P6 conference job knowing we will lose them. OR become the rehab school for broken guys, i.e. Sean Miller, Will Wade, Pitino, Thad Matta, etc. Take proven guys that fucked up personally/ethically, and let them work their way back in a big conference.

We have the facilities, SOMEHOW we have incredible support of the program PBA is a great venue, and we have what's becoming a respected AD that can mentor coaches. I'd love to see us go the rehab route and then reload every 5 years. Let us be DeVries first big job, let's be Will Wade's first big job since he fucked up. We need an identity that's different than what most are doing. This is the only way I see us finding a model that can work, because we will always be the 9th best job in the B1G - at best - so accept that and make a fucking plan.

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

This is long, I know, so I added some boobs at the end. Thanks for reading!

I posted this on Insider, but instead of having a meaningful discussion, most of the comments were people bitching about Hoiberg. In retrospect, I ought to have foreseen this and posted it on a more knowledgeable board with good looking posters like tPB.

Anyhow, what are the Nebraska basketball expectations for the fans on this board. Many think for Fred, it should be NCAA Tournament or bust next year.

Nebraska has been terrible, and as a fan of Nebraska basketball for over 40 years, I have heard many people say that "there is no reason why NU cannot excel in basketball."

However, the most recent successful period for Nebraska was between 1990 and 1994, when they made four consecutive NCAA tournaments. Since then, they have only made it to the tournament 3 times, with no sustained success under any coach except for that brief four-year period under Danny Nee. This begs the question: why has no coach been able to maintain or achieve success at NU?

Nebraska is the only P5 team without a tournament win, and the closest comparison to Nebraska in this regard would be Northwestern. Under Chris Collins, Northwestern has only made two NCAA tournaments in the last 10 years (2 all-time), and their record is 133-150. While they had an incredible year, would Nebraska fans be content with a run like that at Northwestern?

It is challenging to set expectations for Nebraska because the team lacks a real track record of long-term basketball success. Fans have been waiting for over 30 years to see the team perform at a high level since that short 4-year stint in the early 90s.

Hoiberg will get another chance next year. Is it true that the team's ability to reach the NCAA tournament will be the only factor used to determine his success?

Nebraska had a record of 16-16, and it is obvious that they will have to improve upon it in the upcoming season. However, would Turd consider making a change if the team had a successful NIT run instead? Given Nebraska's history of lackluster results, right or wrong, I guess I would be surprised if that were the case. I have a strange feelingn that Turd will give Fred the space he thinks he needs. Nobody really knows how long it might take to build something sustainable in Nebraska because there hasn't been a long history of success there.

I agree with this, the counterpoint would probably be that Fred has had a pretty good runway, and still put out 3 pretty poor seasons to start. So sort of a perspective thing where do you view this year as the anomaly, or see it as a trend towards improvement?

We did slightly improve our conference record each year, even in those crappy seasons (2-18, 3-16, 4-16, then 9-11), and the first 2 years were #1 & 4 all time in hardest strength of schedule the Huskers have ever played (basic calculation based on points above/below average). I personally think there needs to be another step forward next year to prove the trend, but am on board with keeping Fred even if that step isn't all the way to the tourney.

I believe there are 86 high major schools, and that's the sandbox we should be playing in - we have the money & resources to run in that group, even if we're on the lower side. 36 at-large berths after 7 guaranteed spots for the high majors in the NCAA tournament, and in the past 5 years, it's been from 31-39 total teams from this group that made it in. Statistically, making the tourney every 3-4 years would be about the expectation, and I think that's a reasonable target to set.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I don't think you tie any nebrasketball coach to making the dance. I think it's the goal, but you want to evaluate Fred on whether he's actually built the program in a sustainable way, which I think he has pretty mixed marks on so far on that front with maybe some evidence that they're turning a corner.

If Fred is right and the guys who return next year are guys who can be part of a winning roster in the Big Ten, we should see it next year. That probably means they at least go to the NIT. But if it's the same slow start shit as the past years, then it's hard to say he's built anything.

But I'd rather see us go whale hunting if we fire him than go back to Joe Anonymous from Rensselaer Polytechnic

 

[PonyBoy]

Post-season appearance or move on. There's no reason to pay a coach a top 25 salary for Hoiberg's results at Nebraska.

 

[DrinkItIn]

I've stated before - I think that's acheivable. I don't know that Hoiberg gets us there. He went on a great run to finish the season to salvage a .500 season. I'd rather see us move away from the "hire a big respected name" route and do 1 of 2 things. We either identify upcoming talent and give them their first P6 conference job knowing we will lose them. OR become the rehab school for broken guys, i.e. Sean Miller, Will Wade, Pitino, Thad Matta, etc. Take proven guys that fucked up personally/ethically, and let them work their way back in a big conference.

Wouldn't you say that NU tried the "up and comer" route after Nee by hiring Collier, Sadler and Miles? They were all successful at the lower level. Collier had a final 4 run at Butler before he came to NU. Maybe not so much Sadler as Collier put NU in a shitty spot by leaving abruptly before the season. But Miles was very successful at CSU.

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Just don't be like Simple. It's a silly argument, but this same man was coming up with every excuse in the book for Frost & Co. Unbelievable.

Spittle is the worst...he has always had an axe to grind with Hoiberg but never made a peep during Frost's tenure. He is the epitome of what is wrong with journalism.

The perception of why Nebraska basketball should be in the NCAA tourney every other year is the amount of resources devoted to the endeavor. There is no reason they shouldn’t make it. All the resources have been there for the last 10 years besides coaching and enough quality players. If we didn’t devote as much money as we do to Men’s basketball I believe people wouldn’t care as much about the record.

Now how to reach the tourney. Imo you need two quality bigs in the BIG to win consistently and have enough to make the NCAAs. Nebraskas only quality all around Bigs in the last twenty years that I can think of are Alek Maric (is god) and Derrick Walker. Not great.

I agree that NU hasn't had the players needed to compete in the B1G. This year, I thought Fred did a good job assembling the talent to compete in the B1G.

NU won 9 conference games which is the most since 2017-18.

 

[jickey moseph]

Nebrasketball is historically the worst P5 basketball program in historically, probably outside of the old Big East, the best P5 basketball conference. Sure, there should be expectations, but let's not act like all of the Big Ten schools ahead of Nebrasketball are slouches. There's a reason those schools get 5* - much like Nebraska football expects 5*, these schools expect them too because of their rich basketball tradition.

Being close to .500 in the Big Ten usually gets you in the tournament. This season was just lacking that cornerstone win (Purdoodoo at home) and then endured the ultimate choke job against Minnesota.

Oh, and Nebrasketball shouldn't schedule their non-conference like they're fucking KU. Stack up those early wins.

 

[DrinkItIn]

I agree with this, the counterpoint would probably be that Fred has had a pretty good runway, and still put out 3 pretty poor seasons to start. So sort of a perspective thing where do you view this year as the anomaly, or see it as a trend towards improvement?

We did slightly improve our conference record each year, even in those crappy seasons (2-18, 3-16, 4-16, then 9-11), and the first 2 years were #1 & 4 all time in hardest strength of schedule the Huskers have ever played (basic calculation based on points above/below average). I personally think there needs to be another step forward next year to prove the trend, but am on board with keeping Fred even if that step isn't all the way to the tourney.

I believe there are 86 high major schools, and that's the sandbox we should be playing in - we have the money & resources to run in that group, even if we're on the lower side. 36 at-large berths after 7 guaranteed spots for the high majors in the NCAA tournament, and in the past 5 years, it's been from 31-39 total teams from this group that made it in. Statistically, making the tourney every 3-4 years would be about the expectation, and I think that's a reasonable target to set.

Nicely put. I agree that they need to take another step next year. NIT, at the very least.

I don't think you tie any nebrasketball coach to making the dance. I think it's the goal, but you want to evaluate Fred on whether he's actually built the program in a sustainable way, which I think he has pretty mixed marks on so far on that front with maybe some evidence that they're turning a corner.

If Fred is right and the guys who return next year are guys who can be part of a winning roster in the Big Ten, we should see it next year. That probably means they at least go to the NIT. But if it's the same slow start shit as the past years, then it's hard to say he's built anything.

But I'd rather see us go whale hunting if we fire him than go back to Joe Anonymous from Rensselaer Polytechnic

I concur that an NIT run should be considered a minimum requirement for next year, I also agree that it is unfair to hold any NU Basketball coach accountable for meeting NCAA Tournament requirements until they can demonstrate consistent postseason success.

 

[MtnHusker]

Grew up around the game of basketball so know people who know far more about it than I do. Bottom line is 2 of the most knowledgeable basketball minds I've had contact with (Bill Self & George Karl) both think that Fred is a very good coach. Both thought the hire was a Home Run for Nebraska. We looked like a well coached team this season that did it's best to overcome injuries. I'm gonna trust Bill Self & George Karl over message board posters.

Would we even be having this conversation if the Husker Administration hadn't turned down the commitment of potential Lottery Pick Keyontae Johnson even after our doctors cleared him or if the Omaha World Herald hadn't stabbed Fred in the back with an article about him not developing Centers which U Conn used to get Adama Sanogo to switch his commitment from us to them? If, and it is a big If, we had Johnson & Sanogo we would have one of the most talented teams in the B1G. When you are only recruiting 2-4 players per year it is a big blow to the program when the major recruit bolts on you late in the process. It's not like you can easily replace an All American Center or Power Forward.

 

[djw004]

Wouldn't you say that NU tried the "up and comer" route after Nee by hiring Collier, Sadler and Miles? They were all successful at the lower level. Collier had a final 4 run at Butler before he came to NU. Maybe not so much Sadler as Collier put NU in a shitty spot by leaving abruptly before the season. But Miles was very successful at CSU.

Yes I would say we have. Miles went 19+ just about every other year. I think he was a hell of a lot closer to my expectations than Hoiberg has been.

Collier - I understand that point but I also think he was building something that was primed to take off. 19-13 in his last year then to Butler for the AD spot.

Sadler - Winning record for us 4/6 seasons. I'd say that's about all we can do. 20 wins in the B1G gets you into the tourney now...Hell 19 got a ton of teams in and ISU at a 6 seed.

I believe all 3 you listed had the program head and shoulders above where Hoiberg is performing. I'd rather us get back to that model and give ourselves a better chance. But I'd REALLY rather us have gone to get Sean Miller or some other "stained" rehab, but that's because I don't much give an F about previous record because I think all coaches have some skeletons - some are better at keeping them in closets. If Ole Miss is hiring Chris Beard - we can take a flier on some stained rehab stud.

 

[LoudHogRider]

IDNGAF about basketball. I'm ITT just for the titty gifs. Carry on.

 

[Red Finger]

At a minimum they should have a winning record every year imo. That'd mean NIT for me next year. I don't think they need to make the tournament every year.

I've also said this a few times. I believe some of the issues could be solved with a little lighter pre-conference schedule. The big ten conference schedule is 20 games. Add in the Pickle Smoochers game, the gavitt games, possibly Big Ten / ACC challenge type of game, that's plenty for me. If the big ten is decent at all your strength of schedule should be good. Heading into conference 11-2, 10-3-ish...you should have a good shot at postseason play every year.

 

[jickey moseph]

Also lol at Keyontae Johnson's transfer not clearing to here and only ends up as Third-Team All-American.

 

[betsch]

Just get one win in the tournament and they can have a lifetime contract for all I care. I hate being the only P5 team without a win.

 

[MtnHusker]

Also lol at Keyontae Johnson's transfer not clearing to here and only ends up as Third-Team All-American.

Add in the athletic 6-9 245 Adama Sanogo who was Honorable Mention All American with Johnson. Scary combo. Adama was 1st Team All Big East last season. I highlighted our Misses in Red and the players we had to face this season in Blue. Keep in mind we did face Johnson but left him Red. I think we are an NCAA qualifying team with Johnson which would result in fans praising Hoiberg. 1 or 2 recruits can make a huge difference in basketball. Just like 1 or 2 injuries can really change the trajectory of a basketball team. We faced 7 front court players who had some level of AP All American Status.


The Associated Press 2022-23 All-America men's basketball team with statistics through regular-season and conference tournaments:

First Team
Zach Edey, Purdoodoo, 7-4, 305, Junior, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, 22.3 points, 12.8 rebounds (58 of 58 first-place votes, 290 points(asterisk))
Jalen Wilson, Kansas, 6-8, 225, Redshirt junior, Denton, Texas, 20.1 points, 8.4 rebounds (47, 264)
Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indianus, 6-9, 245, Senior, Greenwood, Indianus, 20.8 points, 10.9 rebounds (44, 258)
Marcus Sasser, Houston, 6-2, 195, Senior, Dallas, 17.1 points, 3.3 assists (33, 235)
Brandon Miller, Alabama, 6-9, 200, Freshman, Antioch, Tennessee, 19.6 points, 8.3 rebounds (35, 227)

Second Team
Jaime Jaquez Jr., UCLAbia, 6-7, 225, Senior, Camarillo, California, 17.3 points, 8.1 rebounds (27, 220)
Drew Timme, Gonzaga, 6-10, 235, Senior, Richardson, Texas, 20.9 points, 7.3 rebounds, (22, 206)
Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona, 6-11, 245, Junior, Vilnius, Lithuania, 19.8 points, 9.3 rebounds (6, 165)
Jalen Pickett, Penn State, 6-4, 209, Senior, Rochester, New York, 17.9 points, 7.3 rebounds (8, 115)
Oscar Tshiebwe, Kentucky, 6-9, 260, Senior, Lubumbashi, Democratic Republic of the Congo, 16.5 points, 13.1 rebounds (2, 106)

Third Team
Markquis Nowell, Kansas State, 5-8, 160, Senior, Harlem, New York, 16.8 points, 7.6 assists (2, 89)
Tyler Kolek, Marquette, 6-3, 190, Junior, Cumberland, Rhode Island, 13.3 points, 7.7 assists (1, 81)
Armando Bacot, North Carolina, 6-11, 235, Senior, Richmond, Virginia, 15.9 points, 10.4 rebounds (1, 47)
Keyontae Johnson, Kansas State, 6-6, 230, Senior, Norfolk, Virginia, 17.7 points, 7.0 rebounds (0, 45)
Kris Murray, Cockeye, 6-8, 220, Junior, Cedar Rapids, Cockeye, 20.4 points, 7.9 rebounds (1, 44)

Honorable Mention (alphabetical order, players appearing on multiple ballots)
Max Abmas, Oral Roberts; Tyree Appleby, Wake Forest; Souley Boum, Xavier; Tyger Campbell, UCLAbia; Marcus Carr, Texas; Yuri Collins, St. Louis; Antoine Davis, Detroit Mercy; Kendric Davis, Memphis, Hunter Dickinson, Michigan; Kyle Filipowski, Duke; Adam Flagler, Baylor; Ryan Falkbrenner, Pickle Smoochers; Darius McGhee, Liberty; Mike Miles Jr., TCU; Adama Sanogo, Connecticut; Wade Taylor IV, Texas A&M; Isaiah Wong, Miami

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

This is long, I know, so I added some boobs at the end. Thanks for reading!

I posted this on Insider, but instead of having a meaningful discussion, most of the comments were people bitching about Hoiberg. In retrospect, I ought to have foreseen this and posted it on a more knowledgeable board with good looking posters like tPB.

Anyhow, what are the Nebraska basketball expectations for the fans on this board. Many think for Fred, it should be NCAA Tournament or bust next year.

Nebraska has been terrible, and as a fan of Nebraska basketball for over 40 years, I have heard many people say that "there is no reason why NU cannot excel in basketball."

However, the most recent successful period for Nebraska was between 1990 and 1994, when they made four consecutive NCAA tournaments. Since then, they have only made it to the tournament 3 times, with no sustained success under any coach except for that brief four-year period under Danny Nee. This begs the question: why has no coach been able to maintain or achieve success at NU?

Nebraska is the only P5 team without a tournament win, and the closest comparison to Nebraska in this regard would be Northwestern. Under Chris Collins, Northwestern has only made two NCAA tournaments in the last 10 years (2 all-time), and their record is 133-150. While they had an incredible year, would Nebraska fans be content with a run like that at Northwestern?

It is challenging to set expectations for Nebraska because the team lacks a real track record of long-term basketball success. Fans have been waiting for over 30 years to see the team perform at a high level since that short 4-year stint in the early 90s.

Hoiberg will get another chance next year. Is it true that the team's ability to reach the NCAA tournament will be the only factor used to determine his success?

Nebraska had a record of 16-16, and it is obvious that they will have to improve upon it in the upcoming season. However, would Turd consider making a change if the team had a successful NIT run instead? Given Nebraska's history of lackluster results, right or wrong, I guess I would be surprised if that were the case. I have a strange feelingn that Turd will give Fred the space he thinks he needs. Nobody really knows how long it might take to build something sustainable in Nebraska because there hasn't been a long history of success there.

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I'm gonna be brutally honest with you, OP. I didn't read one word of your post and went straight to the huge, flopping, tits.

 

[SoCal_Corn]

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But I did click your spoilers

 

[djw004]

Collier had a final 4 run at Butler before he came to NU.

You fucking liar. Just looked this up cuz it’s bothered me all day.

They didn’t even make a sweet 16 with him. Final 4…

Youuuuuu sonofabeetch