McCall Not Going To The Portal

[kenyanfeline]

Hopefully having 4 hopefully competent eyes on the offense all week and on game day will help. Something tells me Frost was trying to do it all himself.

You’re exactly right. Frost didn’t magically go from one of the brightest offensive minds to one of the worst. He underestimated the coaching/size/speed etc. of the B1G and has too much pride to realize he couldn’t do it all by himself.

What did previous offensive AC’s bring to the table from a game-planning and scheme perspective?

Verdu: Nothing
Held: Nothing
Austin: Nothing
Lubick: Nothing. (I think knowing what we know now, Lubick rode a lot of coattails to trick people into thinking he knew what he was doing)

Now we have:

Whipple: Proven playcaller and schemer
Mickey: Might have some very good ideas from his prior experience. At the very least is a proven recruiter and somewhat proven developer.
Riaola: Jury is out on recruiting. Doesn’t need to be a schemer so we don’t have too many cooks in the kitchen. Stuck in the NFL long enough that I would like to think he can teach/develop.

 

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You’re exactly right. Frost didn’t magically go from one of the brightest offensive minds to one of the worst. He underestimated the coaching/size/speed etc. of the B1G and has too much pride to realize he couldn’t do it all by himself.

What did previous offensive AC’s bring to the table from a game-planning and scheme perspective?

Verdu: Nothing
Held: Nothing
Austin: Nothing
Lubick: Nothing. (I think knowing what we know now, Lubick rode a lot of coattails to trick people into thinking he knew what he was doing)

Now we have:

Whipple: Proven playcaller and schemer
Mickey: Might have some very good ideas from his prior experience. At the very least is a proven recruiter and somewhat proven developer.
Riaola: Jury is out on recruiting. Doesn’t need to be a schemer so we don’t have too many cooks in the kitchen. Stuck in the NFL long enough that I would like to think he can teach/develop.

I think he underestimated the league and overestimated his people.

The thing about Raiola is he’s not going to be teaching anything that Frost doesn’t want taught. Greg Austin wasn’t either. No other coach we could have hired would for that matter. The key with him is can he get his message across? Can he inspire the kids to want to do more than what they are asked? That’s really what coaching is all about. Nobody is doing something completely secret or different than anyone else and once the kids are in the game there’s basically nothing you can do. So in my opinion, coaching comes down to can you get the kids to do what you want them to do in uncomfortable and stressful situations? Athletic ability is simply not the problem with any of those kids in that OL room.

Idk. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve always thought the thoughts above sum up what is and isn’t good coaching.

 

[Lionsfan93]

Do we have any idea of when McCall was/is supposed to announce that he is entering the portal?

 

[slattimer]

I think he underestimated the league and overestimated his people.

The thing about Raiola is he’s not going to be teaching anything that Frost doesn’t want taught. Greg Austin wasn’t either. No other coach we could have hired would for that matter. The key with him is can he get his message across? Can he inspire the kids to want to do more than what they are asked? That’s really what coaching is all about. Nobody is doing something completely secret or different than anyone else and once the kids are in the game there’s basically nothing you can do. So in my opinion, coaching comes down to can you get the kids to do what you want them to do in uncomfortable and stressful situations? Athletic ability is simply not the problem with any of those kids in that OL room.

Idk. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve always thought the thoughts above sum up what is and isn’t good coaching.

Pretty spot on. It's not what you know as a coach, it's what your players know and how they can execute when the bullets are flying and shit hits the fan. Basically, can you make the complicated seem simple...that's an OL coach's job. Because in all reality, they have the hardest job out there IMO. Trying to block dudes that are generally more explosive, quicker, and faster than them, every snap.

 

[...TrueColors...]

Do we have any idea of when McCall was/is supposed to announce that he is entering the portal?

Their bowl game is over. So the only thing I can think of is if he went home and had a conversation with his parents and will announce soon. Like before 1/1.

 

[Steveweiser316]

Their bowl game is over. So the only thing I can think of is if he went home and had a conversation with his parents and will announce soon. Like before 1/1.

You think we have a legit chance?

 

[...TrueColors...]

You think we have a legit chance?

No idea

 

[Kaladin]

You think we have a legit chance?

He's N

 

[Ext. 55]

Could just be that he wants to play some P5 football before he goes pro. We run a similar system. And given our relationship with their staff, they might be inclined to send him to us.

Win football games.

Kid goes where he thinks his best opportunity is. If it’s us, good.

Win football games.

 

[Ext. 55]

I'm just going to assume Smothers is the starting qb next year. If we end up upgrading. yay.

 

[Steveweiser316]

 

[Kaladin]

 

[DrinkItIn]

When you piss teal, you piss teal. Pretty cool of him to stay with his team.

 

[Boondock_St_Sker]

I think he underestimated the league and overestimated his people.

The thing about Raiola is he’s not going to be teaching anything that Frost doesn’t want taught. Greg Austin wasn’t either. No other coach we could have hired would for that matter. The key with him is can he get his message across? Can he inspire the kids to want to do more than what they are asked? That’s really what coaching is all about. Nobody is doing something completely secret or different than anyone else and once the kids are in the game there’s basically nothing you can do. So in my opinion, coaching comes down to can you get the kids to do what you want them to do in uncomfortable and stressful situations? Athletic ability is simply not the problem with any of those kids in that OL room.

Idk. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve always thought the thoughts above sum up what is and isn’t good coaching.

Pretty spot on. It's not what you know as a coach, it's what your players know and how they can execute when the bullets are flying and shit hits the fan. Basically, can you make the complicated seem simple...that's an OL coach's job. Because in all reality, they have the hardest job out there IMO. Trying to block dudes that are generally more explosive, quicker, and faster than them, every snap.

These are my two favorite posts on this thread...Open Kimono: I have ZERO coaching experience but slept at a Holiday Inn Express once and read articles and online papers on OLine stuff. Definitely not a genius. BUT like both TC and Slat have stated (loosely interpreted) "It ain't rocket science".

I think Raiola brings a fresh perspective to the room that GA may not have had. I've never been to a practice but I have talked with Coach Darlington in the class he gives "Football 101" and he said although those kids loved Tenopir, they hated him just the same b/c he was a no bullshit dude. I'm hoping Raiola is that dude. Doing what he wants them to do in uncomfortable situations requires them to understand and have engrained in their DNA the FUNDA-FUCKING-MENTALS of OLine play right? ABPF Always Be Practicing Fundamentals!!!

Thanks TC & Slat!!

 

[Boondock_St_Sker]

When you piss teal, you piss teal. Pretty cool of him to stay with his team.

no it isn't....it isn't at all!!!!

 

[vailhusker]

Well, there it is - gif

 

[...TrueColors...]

These are my two favorite posts on this thread...Open Kimono: I have ZERO coaching experience but slept at a Holiday Inn Express once and read articles and online papers on OLine stuff. Definitely not a genius. BUT like both TC and Slat have stated (loosely interpreted) "It ain't rocket science".

I think Raiola brings a fresh perspective to the room that GA may not have had. I've never been to a practice but I have talked with Coach Darlington in the class he gives "Football 101" and he said although those kids loved Tenopir, they hated him just the same b/c he was a no bullshit dude. I'm hoping Raiola is that dude. Doing what he wants them to do in uncomfortable situations requires them to understand and have engrained in their DNA the FUNDA-FUCKING-MENTALS of OLine play right? ABPF Always Be Practicing Fundamentals!!!

Thanks TC & Slat!!

So I’ve encountered Houston Nutt 3 times. Once when I was in my first year as a volunteer coach at IWCC and he was recruiting Zach Stoudt. Another at this coaches convention. Next in my professional career as he was a guest speaker at my company’s kick off meetings.

First, every single coach you ever meet will be able to speak a good game. They’re all salesmen at heart and they know way more than the average human. That’s just a fact. That’s why after Ryan Held would speak at these small get togethers people would say that he was a future head coach. He knows more than they do and he can sell ice to eskimos.

The reason I bring up Houston Nutt is hes told this story twice when I’ve heard him speak about the time he was coaching fullbacks at Arkansas when Lou Holtz was the head coach. He walked into this room that Lou was watching film in and Lou didn’t even acknowledge he was in there at the time. Just kept watching. About ten minutes into him being in the room, Lou just absolutely blows up about fullback’s footwork being garbage. Houston told him that “We worked on it 400 times!” Coach Holtz looks at him and says “400 times? Is that an exact number?” Houston says “Well not exactly, but we’ve done it a lot.” Lou Holtz looks at him and he’s even more mad and says “Why the fuck does the number of times you’ve worked on it mean anything to me? If they aren’t getting it right the number of times you’ve worked on it is irrelevant and it’s an arbitrary number. Either you’re doing something wrong teaching it or you need to rep them more. Figure out which it is and let me know.”

I find that story extremely relevant as it pertains to our OL. I just kind of don’t believe that they aren’t being taught what they need to know. I think Austin simply couldn’t get his message across. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad coach. But that does mean he wasn’t the right coach to be here.

 

[Boondock_St_Sker]

So I’ve encountered Houston Nutt 3 times. Once when I was in my first year as a volunteer coach at IWCC and he was recruiting Zach Stoudt. Another at this coaches convention. Next in my professional career as he was a guest speaker at my company’s kick off meetings.

First, every single coach you ever meet will be able to speak a good game. They’re all salesmen at heart and they know way more than the average human. That’s just a fact. That’s why after Ryan Held would speak at these small get togethers people would say that he was a future head coach. He knows more than they do and he can sell ice to eskimos.

The reason I bring up Houston Nutt is hes told this story twice when I’ve heard him speak about the time he was coaching fullbacks at Arkansas when Lou Holtz was the head coach. He walked into this room that Lou was watching film in and Lou didn’t even acknowledge he was in there at the time. Just kept watching. About ten minutes into him being in the room, Lou just absolutely blows up about fullback’s footwork being garbage. Houston told him that “We worked on it 400 times!” Coach Holtz looks at him and says “400 times? Is that an exact number?” Houston says “Well not exactly, but we’ve done it a lot.” Lou Holtz looks at him and he’s even more mad and says “Why the fuck does the number of times you’ve worked on it mean anything to me? If they aren’t getting it right the number of times you’ve worked on it is irrelevant and it’s an arbitrary number. Either you’re doing something wrong teaching it or you need to rep them more. Figure out which it is and let me know.”

I find that story extremely relevant as it pertains to our OL. I just kind of don’t believe that they aren’t being taught what they need to know. I think Austin simply couldn’t get his message across. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad coach. But that does mean he wasn’t the right coach to be here.

that makes all the sense in the world. you can practice all day but if you're practicing wrong you're wasting your time OR like you said, Austin is a good coach, and the fundamentals or techniques he was teaching just weren't getting through. Sometimes when Mom yells at you it just bounces off but when Dad gets home and sends the same message a diff way you listen and take it to heart.

I just remembered a show I used to watch as a kid...

 

[Fargo Husker]

Well, there it is - gif

 

[slattimer]

So I’ve encountered Houston Nutt 3 times. Once when I was in my first year as a volunteer coach at IWCC and he was recruiting Zach Stoudt. Another at this coaches convention. Next in my professional career as he was a guest speaker at my company’s kick off meetings.

First, every single coach you ever meet will be able to speak a good game. They’re all salesmen at heart and they know way more than the average human. That’s just a fact. That’s why after Ryan Held would speak at these small get togethers people would say that he was a future head coach. He knows more than they do and he can sell ice to eskimos.

The reason I bring up Houston Nutt is hes told this story twice when I’ve heard him speak about the time he was coaching fullbacks at Arkansas when Lou Holtz was the head coach. He walked into this room that Lou was watching film in and Lou didn’t even acknowledge he was in there at the time. Just kept watching. About ten minutes into him being in the room, Lou just absolutely blows up about fullback’s footwork being garbage. Houston told him that “We worked on it 400 times!” Coach Holtz looks at him and says “400 times? Is that an exact number?” Houston says “Well not exactly, but we’ve done it a lot.” Lou Holtz looks at him and he’s even more mad and says “Why the fuck does the number of times you’ve worked on it mean anything to me? If they aren’t getting it right the number of times you’ve worked on it is irrelevant and it’s an arbitrary number. Either you’re doing something wrong teaching it or you need to rep them more. Figure out which it is and let me know.”

I find that story extremely relevant as it pertains to our OL. I just kind of don’t believe that they aren’t being taught what they need to know. I think Austin simply couldn’t get his message across. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad coach. But that does mean he wasn’t the right coach to be here.

I’ll give a personal experience in coaching to this experience. It’s all about how you relate the skills needed to succeed to the kids. Some years. It’s right in your wheelhouse and kids pick it up. Other years. You’ve got to scratch and claw and figure out some way to teach the kids the skill. We’ve always been a big tight zone team. Our base double call is wedge 90. One year we were great at it. Vertical double. Displacement. Knees in crotches. Another year. I couldn’t get the kids to gallop and get there. So we said fuck it. Modified our tight zone to a zone fold scheme and folded all backside doubles. And it worked. Like your example. If the kids aren’t executing I always look first to the coach. Fix it. That’s your job. Load their toolbox. Figure out what tools they handle best.

I also remember watching practice when Cav was the OL coach. And I was blown away at some idle wasted time. Specials would be going and they would just stand around and bullshjt. Fück that extra Indy time is priceless. Fûcking steal that time to get better.