Breaking JoBu Out

[Mavsker]

Rhule tried to make the best moves he could given the situation. The results sucked.

Many such cases

I don't think it should be complicated. Let your DC run his defense. If he leaves, hire a new DC and let him run his defense. Don't micromanage your best people. This is basic leadership stuff

Or keep doing what we're doing, it's working out really well

 

[Alcaus]

This is exactly right.

Every single assistant wants to move up, and every coach around them knows it. If that made Tony uneasy - so be it I guess. You can't have your HC publicly stating "we view it as an honor when guys want to hire our staff, my job is to help him navigate it all and not take the WRONG job" and then pout when an NFL DB Coach is brought in who has expressed he wants to DC, that's the goal.

Guess Butler should just keep it to himself in order to alleviate Tony's stress levels.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Could we get back to arguing about who the next DC will be instead of which one of the last 2 was worse?

Exactly. One couldn't get off the field on third down. One couldn't stop the run. If a tie is kissing your sister, Nebraska's last 2 DC debate is like getting eiffel towered by your uncles.

You're dead in the water against the meh teams in this league if you can't make them pass so I'd hope that we get back to taking away the run first and letting the mediocrity that is Big Ten QB play try to throw

 

[Kazman5k]

Could we get back to arguing about who the next DC will be instead of which one of the last 2 was worse?

 

[vailhusker]

Obviously wait and see on the new hire. Will the new DC be able to bring in his own guys or does he have to stay with the current group? Is that a possible point of contention with the potential new hire?

 

[V-Doub]

Our fan base isn’t patient enough. If the Dc is bad their first year, poof, gone.

What long term DC will willingly come here knowing the likelihood of retention in the program is near zero plus the weird relationship with snow?

Any dc we get knows it’s a short stop. We blamed frost’s and Riley’s assistants at first too

This is how it is everywhere else that cares about winning at the highest level. Coordinators getting fired after 1-2 seasons is par for the course in the SEC and top teams in B1G. These coaches know the game. In the end… Who do we want be? Winners? Or something less than that but with some degree arbitrary moral high ground that nobody cares about?

 

[realbp]

Obviously wait and see on the new hire. Will the new DC be able to bring in his own guys or does he have to stay with the current group? Is that a possible point of contention with the potential new hire?

Really good point!

 

[Ext. 55]

What we're looking for is the Millard South defense.

I believe they gave up something like 350 total yards on the SEASON (35 per game) and held opponents to like -120 yards rushing total LOL.

Is that too much to ask??!?!?

...and it STILL wouldn't be enough for most here at tPB.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Gonna try to get back on track in this thread rather than arguing with Husker fans who think a DC that had us with the 11th and 20th ranked scoring defenses while he was here wasn't extremely good. It's why I think Nebraska fans are just doomed to be miserable if that's not good enough for us.

While I wasn't that excited about the Butler hire, I didn't think it was bad. I always think continuity on your staff can be an equalizer if you are down on talent to another team because your guys can play faster knowing the scheme. So a little frustrated with that, but excited to see which route Rhule goes on this. If he can bring in someone like Ekeler things can turn in a hurry, that guy got our special teams right in one season.

 

[Flabio]

Ya... if Tony White OK'd hiring a guy that said that, I'm fine with it. Otherwise you are hiring someone to take his spot or move on after a year, both not ok with DC White.

Tony White at Florida State makes no difference to me, I care about how people do at Nebraska. People that bring up how he's doing in Tallahassee to make some point about his time in Nebraska confuse me.

We can crown Tony White as way better than Butler almost certainly, despite people that were telling me otherwise when the hire was made. But acting as if Tony White wasn't that great here is comical. I'll update the list with 2025 results since you're still arguing, if Tony White wasn't an "extremely good" coordinator for Nebraska we are screwed forever with our standards:

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2025 - John Butler (57th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2025 - Dana Holgerson (67th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

Not sure how TW would’ve done in Lincoln with Ty and Nash being gone. Maybe the DL gets aligned properly at least?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Lots of once good DCs in the fired coaches pool (Pry, Wilcox, etc.)

Of course Knowles is out there.

Rob Aurich is at San Diego State and has a top 8ish scoring defense

 

[Krup21]

Gonna try to get back on track in this thread rather than arguing with Husker fans who think a DC that had us with the 11th and 20th ranked scoring defenses while he was here wasn't extremely good. It's why I think Nebraska fans are just doomed to be miserable if that's not good enough for us.

While I wasn't that excited about the Butler hire, I didn't think it was bad. I always think continuity on your staff can be an equalizer if you are down on talent to another team because your guys can play faster knowing the scheme. So a little frustrated with that, but excited to see which route Rhule goes on this. If he can bring in someone like Ekeler things can turn in a hurry, that guy got our special teams right in one season.

Same. Lets hope this is a big boy hire

 

[V-Doub]

While I commend Rhule for making a move I also don't know if I trust him to make a good hire.

It’s a real concern. But you can’t get no.2 right if you don’t execute no.1

Spoiler

This sounds like a conversation with my proctologist

 

[Ext. 55]

I do like the quick action timing. If you are planning to go to the portal and bring in some serious Jimmys and Joes, you need to have a serious DC in place to make the pitch to them that we are a serious place.

We all know we need some serious talent at the DL position and a big DC splash hire, helps get the right bodies here.

 

[realbp]

Gonna try to get back on track in this thread rather than arguing with Husker fans who think a DC that had us with the 11th and 20th ranked scoring defenses while he was here wasn't extremely good. It's why I think Nebraska fans are just doomed to be miserable if that's not good enough for us.

Kind of a bitch thing to say when you've already stated you're moving on. There's nuance in numbers and no two things in this game can be compared apples to apples, but in order to make you feel good, I'll concede the fact that yes the scoring numbers were better and in the end that's what matters. I'll do that while also completely ignoring the personnel and experience differences.

 

[macmoolah]

One of Rhules biggest positives is his willingness and awareness to hire/fire people in areas of underperformance, including his friends like Satt and Foley.
One of Rhules biggest negatives is that he has had to make so many coordinator changes in 3 years.

Kinda shocked hes made this many adjustments. Even in Carolina he only made a few coordinator shifts.

 

[realbp]

One of Rhules biggest positives is his willingness and awareness to hire/fire people in areas of underperformance, including his friends like Satt and Foley.
One of Rhules biggest negatives is that he has had to make so many coordinator changes in 3 years.

Kinda shocked hes made this many adjustments. Even in Carolina he only made a few coordinator shifts.

In Rhule's defense, in Carolina he didn't have a ton of time to change coordinators.

 

[Ext. 55]

Kind of a bitch thing to say when you've already stated you're moving on. There's nuance in numbers and no two things in this game can be compared apples to apples, but in order to make you feel good, I'll concede the fact that yes the scoring numbers were better and in the end that's what matters. I'll do that while also completely ignoring the personnel and experience differences.

LOL...poke the guy in the eye and then pat him on the ass as you head out the door.

 

[Alcaus]

Many such cases

I don't think it should be complicated. Let your DC run his defense. If he leaves, hire a new DC and let him run his defense. Don't micromanage your best people. This is basic leadership stuff

Or keep doing what we're doing, it's working out really well

Rhule is the accountable one at the end of the day. If TW has the same below average passing defense in year 3, Rhule doesn't get to say "I'm not going to micromanage the defense that's why I hired Tony".

Seems odd that the only option would be to fire the DC if there are particular aspects of the defense you're looking to improve.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Weeks? Hmmm

I mean, to me that means he is going to hire from outside the program vs hiring Addison Williams or Dvorcheck or Snow.

Go through a process and find the right guy.