Breaking JoBu Out

[Havoc34]

While I commend Rhule for making a move I also don't know if I trust him to make a good hire.

 

[ShortSideOption]

So it would've been fine if he wanted to be a DC "sooner than later" as long as TW got to hire him? Sounds like the comment isn't really the issue then.

Regardless, Tony White didn't exactly kill it this year. In his place, we had a slightly worse scoring defense by ~4 ppg, slightly better total defense and yards per play. We improved our pass defense and got worse in run defense.

All of this with clearly worse defensive personnel.

You can comfortably say that Butler wasn't the answer, but can we stop crowning Tony White already?

Ya... if Tony White OK'd hiring a guy that said that, I'm fine with it. Otherwise you are hiring someone to take his spot or move on after a year, both not ok with DC White.

Tony White at Florida State makes no difference to me, I care about how people do at Nebraska. People that bring up how he's doing in Tallahassee to make some point about his time in Nebraska confuse me.

We can crown Tony White as way better than Butler almost certainly, despite people that were telling me otherwise when the hire was made. But acting as if Tony White wasn't that great here is comical. I'll update the list with 2025 results since you're still arguing, if Tony White wasn't an "extremely good" coordinator for Nebraska we are screwed forever with our standards:

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2025 - John Butler (57th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2025 - Dana Holgerson (67th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

 

[ShortSideOption]

That's why I only used B1G games. I'm not saying Butler lit the world on fire, I'm just saying that TW in 2024 irritated the hell out of me when the defense consistently gave up 3rd and long situations to an easy slant or TE option route to the middle of the field.

Well, he gave up less points which should have scratched your irritation.

 

[Havoc34]

Our fan base isn’t patient enough. If the Dc is bad their first year, poof, gone.

What long term DC will willingly come here knowing the likelihood of retention in the program is near zero plus the weird relationship with snow?

Any dc we get knows it’s a short stop. We blamed frost’s and Riley’s assistants at first too

Yep, at some point coordinator firings are just the head man giving himself more time. This falls on Rhule. If he misses on this hire it's game over.

 

[Fargo Husker]

All I’m asking for is a defense that gives up 0 points and gets 3-5 turnovers per game. I don’t think that’s asking too much.

 

[NCsker]

Was just thinking this yesterday

I wonder if he can still DC

The fact we have to wonder should make him an automatic no. He hasn’t been a DC for 13 years. This is not time for rehab.

 

[Alcaus]

Are you referring to the 4-8 Colorado team that put up 450 yards and 36 points against Tony?

Speaking of cherry picking, I could've sworn there was a third non-conference game this past year.

I don't think it's useful to argue schedules. Butler had one year of data, White had two. White's defense obviously performed better comparatively. The point for both is that neither were good enough, hence why the staff changes were made.

Go hire a proven, legit DC or at the very least a guy who's been groomed for a P2 coordinator role. Honestly cannot wait to never talk about Butler and White again.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Are you referring to the 4-8 Colorado team that put up 450 yards and 36 points against Tony?

Speaking of cherry picking, I could've sworn there was a third non-conference game this past year.

Yes, the year we were 11th in scoring defense that INCLUDED that game. I love people that try to choose one game to prove a point instead of the 12 I reference. It's not very smart.

Oh ya, are you talking about 54th in scoring offense Cincy? Sorry to leave that juggernaut out.

 

[realbp]

Ya... if Tony White OK'd hiring a guy that said that, I'm fine with it. Otherwise you are hiring someone to take his spot or move on after a year, both not ok with DC White.

Tony White at Florida State makes no difference to me, I care about how people do at Nebraska. People that bring up how he's doing in Tallahassee to make some point about his time in Nebraska confuse me.

We can crown Tony White as way better than Butler almost certainly, despite people that were telling me otherwise when the hire was made. But acting as if Tony White wasn't that great here is comical. I'll update the list with 2025 results since you're still arguing, if Tony White wasn't an "extremely good" coordinator for Nebraska we are screwed forever with our standards:

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2025 - John Butler (57th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2025 - Dana Holgerson (67th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

Tony White had the benefit of an experienced and talented DL and experienced LBs. This year the DL was not experienced or nearly as talented as 2023 or 2024, the LBs were a true sophomore and a 7th year guy who couldn't find the field (when healthy) previously.

We'll never be able to identify who was better, too many variables. I'm just saying that he's not the difference maker for the 2025 team.

 

[SlumpBuster]

All I’m asking for is a defense that gives up 0 points and gets 3-5 turnovers per game. I don’t think that’s asking too much.

What we're looking for is the Millard South defense.

I believe they gave up something like 350 total yards on the SEASON (35 per game) and held opponents to like -120 yards rushing total LOL.

Is that too much to ask??!?!?

 

[Bootleg11]

All I’m asking for is a defense that gives up 0 points and gets 3-5 turnovers per game. I don’t think that’s asking too much.

Reasonable

 

[ShortSideOption]

Tony White had the benefit of an experienced and talented DL and experienced LBs. This year the DL was not experienced or nearly as talented as 2023 or 2024, the LBs were a true sophomore and a 7th year guy who couldn't find the field (when healthy) previously.

We'll never be able to identify who was better, too many variables. I'm just saying that he's not the difference maker for the 2025 team.

Bolded means we are done. Ridiculous concept.

 

[djw004]

"extremely good"

Dude Tony White made no attempt to hide the fact that he wanted to find a head coaching job as soon as possible when he came here. Rhule didn't have any issue with that. Guys have ambition; work together and build them up and you can develop a great network of coaches and establish yourself as someone that people want to work with in the future.

I know you love you some Tony White, but I kinda figured after this season you'd let that dead horse go unbeaten.

This is exactly right.

Every single assistant wants to move up, and every coach around them knows it. If that made Tony uneasy - so be it I guess. You can't have your HC publicly stating "we view it as an honor when guys want to hire our staff, my job is to help him navigate it all and not take the WRONG job" and then pout when an NFL DB Coach is brought in who has expressed he wants to DC, that's the goal.

 

[realbp]

Well, he gave up less points which should have scratched your irritation.

The last two weeks are outliers of a deeper issue, in my opinion. The team psyche changed when Raiola went out. Not the same fight or toughness when they get down.

 

[Irv]

Could we get back to arguing about who the next DC will be instead of which one of the last 2 was worse?

 

[realbp]

Bolded means we are done. Ridiculous concept.

I mean I could use excuses like, JB didn't have an experienced or talented DL. TW benefited from a veteran and talented DL. It starts there. If that is poor, the rest has to be much better. LBs, much better talent with TW. Safeties, Gifford >>>> Guthrie, and I thought Gifford was not great for a lot of last season. That's what that meant.

 

[Alcaus]

Our fan base isn’t patient enough. If the Dc is bad their first year, poof, gone.

What long term DC will willingly come here knowing the likelihood of retention in the program is near zero plus the weird relationship with snow?

Any dc we get knows it’s a short stop. We blamed frost’s and Riley’s assistants at first too

I don't think it's different anywhere in the P2, though.

My point was there aren't really any long term coordinators out there. There are coordinators who jump around and there are those that become HCs. Phil Parker is a unicorn. I'd wager there are fewer than 5 DCs at P2 schools that have been there for more than 4 years.

 

[Ext. 55]

So you want Eric Martin getting personal fouls every other play, Avery moss whipping out his dick, and Josh Banderas stealing bikes?

I'm more like Grant Wistrom doing head butts into the wall and Mike Minter dragging his nuts across any WR coming across the middle.

 

[Ext. 55]

I'm not going to celebrate until we find out who the replacement is. And then only if it's someone top shelf.

Practical. Measured. Patient. Smart.

 

[realbp]

Could we get back to arguing about who the next DC will be instead of which one of the last 2 was worse?

Yes