How many more games does Millard South play this regular season?

[nja13]

The Binder family going to Auburn cost HTRS at least 6 state championships in basketball, golf and football. All because HTRS didn’t want to hire Jim Weeks, per Todd’s suggestion. Imagine being so dumb and it’s sad I’m barely joking.

Well, TBF, I get not wanting to sentence your community to watching Jim Weeks style basketball.

 

[Herbie]

Yes Standing Bear and Northwest are Class B. Standing Bear might be pretty good in a year or two.

Nice.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Lincoln schools and pius all dropping down to class B.
Graduated from SW in 07 but football in the state seemed fairly balanced but skewing towards Omaha dominance.

Live in Oklahoma now and it seems Nebraska going the way of Oklahoma. A select few Tulsa schools dominate Oklahoma high school football due to open enrollment and over crowding schools to get the best athletes. Every year it’s useless for the OKC schools to even try to complete.

 

[nja13]

Full disclosure, I hope they all 3 forfeit to really make NSAA do something. The issue is, NSAA is so soft that they'll just break it into A and A2 or something like that which won't really solve the problem. I hesitate to go there since I don't truly have an answer on how to solve this. They will never close the borders again because it's "not in the students best interest." But there's some really upset parents in District 66 that pay the higher taxes only to see their kid not be able to play for his local team because some kid comes in from another area.

Millard South used the rules to their advantage (or just completely didn't care about others) and assembled the best football team I've ever seen in this state. They have 7 kids committed to FBS schools in just their 2026 class alone. Just an absurd amount of talent.

The NSAA recently made an attempt to address this, right? (At least addressing competative balance, not necessarily the ability to put together super teams)

In Class A they are eliminating districts and allowing the schools more input into picking their schedules. (No more forced Millard South vs. Benson games).

In Class B, they are taking the bottom quarter of teams based on previous two years wildcard points, and placing them in the same district, so the worst teams will play each other and not the top Class B teams.

NSAA Board Approves Class A, Class B Football Schedule Changes | Hurrdat Sports

Nebraska high school football scheduling has been a topic of conversation throughout the state for some time.

hurrdatsports.com

 

[ShortSideOption]

The NSAA recently made an attempt to address this, right? (At least addressing mismatches, not necessarily the ability to put together super teams)

In Class A they are eliminating districts and allowing the schools more input into picking their schedules. (No more forced Millard South vs. Benson games).

In Class B, they are taking the bottom quarter of teams based on previous two years wildcard points, and placing them in the same district, so the worst teams will play each other and not the top Class B teams.

NSAA Board Approves Class A, Class B Football Schedule Changes | Hurrdat Sports

Nebraska high school football scheduling has been a topic of conversation throughout the state for some time.

hurrdatsports.com

Ya, I referenced it up top, but there's still an imbalance and it's not helping. Southwest is 2-4 and Lincoln High is 4-2, Southwest beat the brakes off the Links.

 

[Herbie]

The NSAA recently made an attempt to address this, right? (At least addressing mismatches, not necessarily the ability to put together super teams)

In Class A they are eliminating districts and allowing the schools more input into picking their schedules. (No more forced Millard South vs. Benson games).

In Class B, they are taking the bottom quarter of teams based on previous two years wildcard points, and placing them in the same district, so the worst teams will play each other and not the top Class B teams.

NSAA Board Approves Class A, Class B Football Schedule Changes | Hurrdat Sports

Nebraska high school football scheduling has been a topic of conversation throughout the state for some time.

hurrdatsports.com

What happens when teams all start to say they won’t willingly schedule Millard South

 

[nja13]

It’s interesting that this is now getting attention because it’s happening in Class A. It’s been happening in the lower levels for years. I went to a Norfolk Catholic game last year (Class C2) and NC was up 52-0 at half time. Thank goodness for the running clock rule.

 

[Tsakoi]

I will just say that winning 70-0 each week does not prepare you for college football. And in the current set up it is not the great accomplishment that you think it is. Winning games and a state title are valueless when the teams are this lopsided. Nothing is being proven from an athletic standpoint.

 

[nja13]

What happens when teams all start to say they won’t willingly schedule Millard South

First, the NSAA still has final say. Some schools will still get assigned to play MS. It just won’t be Benson or Bryan or Northwest, etc. I’m sure the Westsides, Bell West, Prep, etc. will still want to test themselves against South.

And who knows where the pendulum swings next? Right now Millard South is the hot team. Before that it was Westside, then Bellevue West then Omaha North, etc. (though MS has certainly taken its dominance to the next level).

If MS maintains its current level, they could seek more competitive games out of state as well.

 

[YetiJR]

It sucks that this is the reality of THIS season.

Other classes have huge gaps as well. There aren't a ton of close games week to week.

It's not like Wahoo has any competition in C-1.

Feel like it's a lot different than class a because the small towns are just going to where the kids are raised instead of open enrollment.

 

[Herbie]

I will just say that winning 70-0 each week does not prepare you for college football. And in the current set up it is not the great accomplishment that you think it is. Winning games and a state title are valueless when the teams are this lopsided. Nothing is being proven from an athletic standpoint.

Makes you wonder how good Jett is

 

[TheXHerb]

There was even a guy on here in another thread complaining about how his kid wasn’t getting playing time because of “politics” and they were going to transfer schools because of it. It’s really out of control.

I'm assuming you are talking about my post from a couple weeks ago, and based on your response, you obviously didn't read it well (and assumed I'm the problem) which is fine. You have a right to your opinion. But not all issues with parents trying to find the right place for your kid to play are "parent problems". Yes, parents CAN be the problem. They aren't ALWAYS the problem.
There ARE politic problems in HS sports in Nebraska, and parental financial influnce with schools already struggling to pay for things such as equipment and facilities is a real thing. If you just dismiss a comment when someone mentions politics, you are naive to think coaches aren't subjected and influenced by these factors, and you have no clue what's really going on.

WIth open enrollment in the city, you can't blame parents who try to find playing time for their kid when they don't cut it where they are at. It's no different than good players recruiting each other to go to the same school like Millard South to dominate. Is that a parent problem or a system problem? What do you expect parents to do when you give them that option? The system is failing these kids, not always the parents. There should never have been open enrollment options unless there were extreme circumstances not related to sports. That decision broke everything, IMO.

 

[redzoner]

Nice.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Lincoln schools and pius all dropping down to class B.
Graduated from SW in 07 but football in the state seemed fairly balanced but skewing towards Omaha dominance.

Live in Oklahoma now and it seems Nebraska going the way of Oklahoma. A select few Tulsa schools dominate Oklahoma high school football due to open enrollment and over crowding schools to get the best athletes. Every year it’s useless for the OKC schools to even try to complete.

Unfortunately they are both moving to class A next year already.

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

And just so everyone knows, the NSAA tried this year to do the bottom half play "like teams" and the top half play "like teams" in Class A. That's why Lincoln Southwest is sitting at 2-4 but beat 4- 2 Lincoln Northeast 35-13. Lincoln Southeast is in a similar boat, sitting 3-3 but Lincoln High is 4-2 due to playing lesser competition, the Knights rolled Lincoln High 57-0.

As @alt f4 stated, the problem is really open districts. We had a media member go on a radio show claiming that Millard South really didn't have that many transfers, all those kids played in the Jr Patriots program. While they had kids from Kansas City and Grand Island on their team, he's mostly correct. All these kids played with each other from grade school up living everywhere in the city and in some instances in Lincoln or Kansas City.

I just feel like closing the borders gets rid of a lot of problems. You can build schools where they are needed based on population. If a kid thinks he's getting a better education at another school, isn't it up to OPS/MPS/Gretna etc. to get all schools on par? I think the larger issue at play will be even if OPS and Millard decide to close their borders, it all of a sudden makes Bellevue West the popular choice to make a superteam because kids can transfer there. It would basically have to be the NSAA saying you can't play where you don't live, and they'll never do that. As long as the public schools have open enrollment, there's really nothing that can be done IMO.

Mike Sautter is a toolbox as well.

 

[alt f4]

Are the new high schools in Lincoln still class B?

Ya they were a pretty good team... the year after they were pretty good too but Millard North made one of the best comebacks I'd seen on them in the playoffs.

I like that too out of them, but I still have the same gripe, I don't like that some schools are visibly worse with academics. I wish they could do something to make the "lesser" ones do a little better there so you don't have people transferring out of them.

Both Standing Bear and Lincoln NW are Class B for this 2 year classification. Lincoln NW will be Class A in 2026 and Stand Bear looks like they'll be Class A as well.

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

I’m so far behind on this, sorry for the stupid questions.

So this is a state wide open enrollment? So in theory a kid from Lincoln could enroll at an Omaha school or vice versa?

 

[alt f4]

And just so everyone knows, the NSAA tried this year to do the bottom half play "like teams" and the top half play "like teams" in Class A. That's why Lincoln Southwest is sitting at 2-4 but beat 4- 2 Lincoln Northeast 35-13. Lincoln Southeast is in a similar boat, sitting 3-3 but Lincoln High is 4-2 due to playing lesser competition, the Knights rolled Lincoln High 57-0.

This created more issues with playoff points and possibly wildcard qualification issues. It allowed those lesser teams more wins, which put them into the Tier 1 and Tier 2 teams with enough points to qualify based on Wildcard Points.

Lincoln SW gets 47 points for beating Lincoln NE. Any team who beat Lincoln SW only gets 44.
Lincoln SE gets 47 points for beating Lincoln High. Any team who beat Lincoln SE only gets 44.
Lincoln NE will likely get 2 more wins vs Buena Vista and South Sioux City ending up 6-3 and with enough points to possibly get into the playoffs over some other teams like Papio, Kearney, Millard West, North Star, and Lincoln SW who destroyed them.

I just feel like closing the borders gets rid of a lot of problems. You can build schools where they are needed based on population. If a kid thinks he's getting a better education at another school, isn't it up to OPS/MPS/Gretna etc. to get all schools on par? I think the larger issue at play will be even if OPS and Millard decide to close their borders, it all of a sudden makes Bellevue West the popular choice to make a superteam because kids can transfer there. It would basically have to be the NSAA saying you can't play where you don't live, and they'll never do that. As long as the public schools have open enrollment, there's really nothing that can be done IMO.

There won't be closed enrollment, especially in LPS. LPS has focus programs at each high school, which need open enrollment to get into. I guess they could do some sort of application for these focus programs and requirement to stay enrolled in their courses, but that's too much to manage.

Lincoln High is the International Baccalureate Program
Lincoln NS is Aviation Program
Lincoln NE is ROTC
Lincoln NW is Bryan College Health
Lincoln Standing Bear is Business

 

[TheXHerb]

I’m so far behind on this, sorry for the stupid questions.

So this is a state wide open enrollment? So in theory a kid from Lincoln could enroll at an Omaha school or vice versa?

To my understanding, there is no geograpical limitations to the rule, however Districts must approve the transfer, and I'm guessing they are less likely to approve it if it's from drastically outside the city limits. But it's not impossible.

 

[alt f4]

I’m so far behind on this, sorry for the stupid questions.

So this is a state wide open enrollment? So in theory a kid from Lincoln could enroll at an Omaha school or vice versa?

Depends on school district, but most have wide open enrollment as long as you live in Nebraska. There are a couple closed districts which only take kids from within the schools boundaries. Gretna High and Gretna East for example.

Millard is open to anyone from any state, why they had kids from KC on their roster.
Malcolm is open, but you must apply and be approved - generally in elementary school.

 

[Jim14510]

Yutan is open. They've been pulling some good (for class C) athletes from Millard/Elkhorn the last few years.

 

[herbsinator]

Kids should generally be free to go to whatever school they want if they think it’s going to be better for them academically, socially, etc. They should just make it a rule that you’re only eligible to play for the school in the district in which you actually live. Let them go to one school and play for another if they really want (not all that different than how homeschool kids are treated AFAIK).

If moving schools is really in the students’ best interest then they can do it, but eliminates all the other bullshit. I expect you’d see the number of transfer cut down dramatically.