How many more games does Millard South play this regular season?

[alt f4]

Why is Millard south so much better than everyone else? I haven’t lived in Nebraska in about a decade and a half. Does the NSAA have a transfer portal now?

Essentially yes there's a transfer portal. You get one free transfer after your original high school declaration.

Most schools are open enrollment, meaning you can enroll, regardless of where you live.

There are certain schools, like Gretna, where they're a closed district and must live in district to be enrolled.

What Millard South did was create a very select youth team (this year's seniors) in 3rd grade and played regional games and tournaments. They recruited to that Jr Patriot team through the years. Picking up kids who were unhappy with their current team and flat out recruited kids to their team from other teams. They got Jett from Elkhorn South because of this.

The MS volunteer coach who suspended helped organize and Coach that youth team.

They were kicked out of the Omaha Metro Youth Football league. I heard two sides, one side that they were recruiting at games and MS side was a suspended youth coach continued to coach. The volunteer suspended at MS was one who let youth suspended coach to coach.

In short for 5 years of youth ball they got the best of best talent in Omaha Metro area. Then they filled in with transfers in high school of kids who wanted to play with the best. Very few of their team live in MS district, but most have gone through Jr Patriot youth program, which is now called 402 Boyz.

In the MS case, it's more open enrollment than transfers.

Nebraska High School football is the wild west of transfers and not playing in district.

 

[alt f4]

So then how does it work in the playoffs? They keep climbing as long as opponents keep forfeiting?

It's a archaic points system. They'll climb a few spots, they would have gotten those points regardless.

A forfeit gives them just as many points as a win.

Because of MS's forfeited game, they will be a 3 or 4 seed in playoffs.

 

[COYS]

High school football certainly feels broke. I went to the Bellevue West vs South Sioux City game last week and it left me wondering what are we doing here. South Sioux bused down 2 hours to have to play a game against a clearly superior opponent that SSC had no business being on the field with. It was 49-0 after the first quarter. Felt bad for the kids to be put in that spot and to be frank, I can’t imagine it’s any fun for the team winning.

In class A I would do two divisions and maybe create some sort of promotion/relegation to allow for some movement between. Teams like Omaha South, Omaha Buena Vista, Bryan, South Sioux City, Omaha Northwest, Bellevue East, Omaha Benson just get throttle against any of the top 10-15 teams.

 

[cwessel76]

Closed directs is the way to go, unless you’re a private school like Prep.

When I was in high school - 2000 to 2004 - your top football schools for the most part were Millard North, Millard West, Central, LSE, Westside, and Prep. That’s where the talent was and that’s about it.

 

[Frogsker30]

I think it stems from feeder teams.
I used to help my cousin coach his son MYFL team for several years until this year. There are a lot that follow the school district rules that myfl has. But also a handful that don’t and recruit etc.

MYFL needs to enforce that. Go back to playing in the district you live in and that will start reducing a lot of the outside transfer.

Then have a show cause if you want to transfer.

I’m all for wanting to go to a different school based on different academic related things. Some are structured different and offer different classes

 

[COYS]

Closed directs is the way to go, unless you’re a private school like Prep.

When I was in high school - 2000 to 2004 - your top football schools for the most part were Millard North, Millard West, Central, LSE, Westside, and Prep. That’s where the talent was and that’s about it.

There was much more distribution of talent at that time. I went to Bellevue East and we finished 5-4 and lost to Danny Woodhead NP team 20-16 in the quarterfinals . Even the “real bad” teams were much more competitive. There wasn’t a lot of 60 and 70’s being scored and a blowout was more of a 4-5 TD win. I can tell you in Bellevue that East has pretty much been stripped of all talent by West. Any kid with talent that lives in East district gets special exemption and ends up at West. When I was in high school, we all went to the school we were assigned to and there wasn’t any of the opt ins we see now.

As for my point; here is Omaha South’s schedule from 2003. This was one of worst teams in state and you can see they were somewhat semi competitive in most all games.

 

[ShortSideOption]

And just so everyone knows, the NSAA tried this year to do the bottom half play "like teams" and the top half play "like teams" in Class A. That's why Lincoln Southwest is sitting at 2-4 but beat 4- 2 Lincoln Northeast 35-13. Lincoln Southeast is in a similar boat, sitting 3-3 but Lincoln High is 4-2 due to playing lesser competition, the Knights rolled Lincoln High 57-0.

As @alt f4 stated, the problem is really open districts. We had a media member go on a radio show claiming that Millard South really didn't have that many transfers, all those kids played in the Jr Patriots program. While they had kids from Kansas City and Grand Island on their team, he's mostly correct. All these kids played with each other from grade school up living everywhere in the city and in some instances in Lincoln or Kansas City.

I just feel like closing the borders gets rid of a lot of problems. You can build schools where they are needed based on population. If a kid thinks he's getting a better education at another school, isn't it up to OPS/MPS/Gretna etc. to get all schools on par? I think the larger issue at play will be even if OPS and Millard decide to close their borders, it all of a sudden makes Bellevue West the popular choice to make a superteam because kids can transfer there. It would basically have to be the NSAA saying you can't play where you don't live, and they'll never do that. As long as the public schools have open enrollment, there's really nothing that can be done IMO.

 

[wildcat_husker]

The only acceptable reasons for a forfeit should be weather travel related or the school doesn't have enough players to field a team because of illness, injury, etc.

lol

 

[Southendzonehusker]

It's sad that it has come to this. Growing up I played sports with kids in my neighborhood, we played in grade school then HS together with others from our part of the city. There weren't mercenaries on our roster or super teams we played against.

Schools and parents have over inflated the importance of HS athletics by taking part in this.

This. Have a 12 year old playing select basketball and it’s crazy what people think or expect of their kids. They view them as more of a paycheck to get their college paid for even though. One parent told me they hope their kid plays for Pickle Smoochers and he is the worst kid on a mediocre team. Let kids be kids for once.

 

[ShortSideOption]

This. Have a 12 year old playing select basketball and it’s crazy what people think or expect of their kids. They view them as more of a paycheck to get their college paid for even though. One parent told me they hope their kid plays for Pickle Smoochers and he is the worst kid on a mediocre team. Let kids be kids for once.

There's a lot of parents like that anymore. What is there, MAYBE one kid per year from Nebraska that plays for Crayton? Or Nebraska for that matter? Lofty goal for a kid that's the 8th man on his 7th grade team.

With that said, I'll never be mad at parents trying to give their kid opportunities. My wife and I actually asked if our 6 year old was doing a little too much and we both came to the conclusion that as long as he's still asking to go to practice and play he can keep doing what he's doing. I just hate seeing kids burnt out at 10 years old. Keep it fun. Don't put them on the select baseball team because you want to say you're a part of it and he gets one pinch hit at bat in a 12-0 blowout game that you traveled to Orlando for.

 

[Herbie]

Open enrollment was allowed a year or two ago and now its just a cesspool.

The most talented players just join one another which has now lead to only 2-3 quality teams throughout Class A.

Lincoln has always had open enrollment.
Not that it matters, Lincoln football has always largely been meh

 

[Southendzonehusker]

There's a lot of parents like that anymore. What is there, MAYBE one kid per year from Nebraska that plays for Crayton? Or Nebraska for that matter? Lofty goal for a kid that's the 8th man on his 7th grade team.

With that said, I'll never be mad at parents trying to give their kid opportunities. My wife and I actually asked if our 6 year old was doing a little too much and we both came to the conclusion that as long as he's still asking to go to practice and play he can keep doing what he's doing. I just hate seeing kids burnt out at 10 years old. Keep it fun. Don't put them on the select baseball team because you want to say you're a part of it and he gets one pinch hit at bat in a 12-0 blowout game that you traveled to Orlando for.

Agree. Our son could play on a better basketball team but he loves the PGA Jr League and is currently enjoying soccer as well. Always get parents supporting/giving their kids every opportunity possible but putting pressure on them or expecting these type of goals is IMO lead to these super teams.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Lincoln has always had open enrollment.
Not that it matters, Lincoln football has always largely been meh

The transferring was really few and far between back in the day too... once they opened North Star and Southwest things pretty much went downhill for Lincoln football. Now there's two more on top of that. I think Southwest made the state championship game in 2005 and Southeast actually won about a decade ago, but other than that not much to write home about down there anymore.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Agree. Our son could play on a better basketball team but he loves the PGA Jr League and is currently enjoying soccer as well. Always get parents supporting/giving their kids every opportunity possible but putting pressure on them or expecting these type of goals is IMO lead to these super teams.

Neighbor of mine is a smaller stature guy that played baseball in college because it wasn't going to be football or basketball for him. Basically since his kid was 4 through 6 he had him hitting baseballs in the backyard every day after school and in the summer. I've never seen a more dejected person than when his kid at 7 said he was tired of playing baseball.

Circling it back to Millard South, if those coaches told my kid he could come there and play and start, it would be interesting what would go through my head. Football sucks if you aren't good. It's the sport that you practice the most and play the least, and if you are getting beat up on top of it, well that's why you have enrollment numbers down. That and that loser Blake Lawrence putting billboards everywhere about concussions and Trophy Moms having their kid go out for tennis instead. But I digress.

 

[Herbie]

The transferring was really few and far between back in the day too... once they opened North Star and Southwest things pretty much went downhill for Lincoln football. Now there's two more on top of that. I think Southwest made the state championship game in 2005 and Southeast actually won about a decade ago, but other than that not much to write home about down there anymore.

Southwest when they had baker was a good team. Probably the last noteable good team from Lincoln.

I do appreciate Lincoln valuing academics over sports and not over crowding schools

 

[Herbie]

Are the new high schools in Lincoln still class B?

 

[Cavalot]

It sucks that this is the reality of THIS season.

Other classes have huge gaps as well. There aren't a ton of close games week to week.

It's not like Wahoo has any competition in C-1.

Sydney, Central City, and Lakeview will all be tough games for Wahoo. They are good but not unbeatable.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Southwest when they had baker was a good team. Probably the last noteable good team from Lincoln.

I do appreciate Lincoln valuing academics over sports and not over crowding schools

Ya they were a pretty good team... the year after they were pretty good too but Millard North made one of the best comebacks I'd seen on them in the playoffs.

I like that too out of them, but I still have the same gripe, I don't like that some schools are visibly worse with academics. I wish they could do something to make the "lesser" ones do a little better there so you don't have people transferring out of them.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Are the new high schools in Lincoln still class B?

Yes Standing Bear and Northwest are Class B. Standing Bear might be pretty good in a year or two.

 

[nja13]

So then how does it work in the playoffs? They keep climbing as long as opponents keep forfeiting?

Yes. MS gets credit for the win as if the game had been played.