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Fixable vs. Non-Fixable

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I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeye team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeye by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.


And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:
  1. Verdu out.
  2. Frost coaches QB’s.
  3. Austin out and replaced.
  4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.
As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.
 
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I bolded/underlined the important parts for you.
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I know this will get torn apart by a few of you miserable assholes and I’m okay with that. I also know that TPB has perhaps the highest percentage of rational thinking, non douche bags of any Husker message board. That’s what makes TPB the greatest Husker fan outlet around and that’s why I’m going to post it anyways. Warning: it’s pretty long.

I’m pissed about these losses and I’m even more pissed about how we have been losing. It sucks. I got good and drunk enjoying the game last night and then stared at the TV in dismay when that final sequence of events happened.

As I sat there asking why I put myself through this shit year after year, I began thinking what a lot of you have been saying: Maybe we need to burn it down and start over.

That lead me to thinking about the last time we burned it down and start over. The year was 2017. We squeaked out a win over a terrible Arkansas State team, lost to an Oregon team that turned out to be terrible, and lost to MAC Northern Illinois. And most unforgettable, at the end of the season, we got boat raced by an average Cockeyes team and a terrible Minnesota team. Everyone knew what had to happen after that season. Riley had to be fired because what we had was without a doubt, unfixable. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and it was obvious however you look at it.

Fast forward to this season.

We are 2-3 with a team that could/should be 4-1 or even 5-0. (Should have beat Illinois because we are vastly more talented and could have beat ranked OU and MSU if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot.

2/3 of our losses have been nail biters against ranked teams on the road.

For me, it comes down to this: the difference between what we have endured this season and what we endured in 2017 is that the games have been FUN to watch and we have proven thus far that we belong on the field with any team. The issues that have plagued this team are FIXABLE.

-Our punter returner making a stupid mistake to give up a safety is fixable.

-Giving up a scoop and score before halftime is fixable.

-Our punter kicking it to the wrong side of the field is fixable.

Frustrating. But fixable nonetheless.

That’s a far cry from Riley getting boat raced by terrible teams. Losing by 33 to a bad Minnesota team is not fixable. Losing to an average Cockeyes by 42 is not fixable.

Losing sucks but if you are ready to tear it down and start over when we are unequivocally “close” to being a good team you are delusional. And I get that we have had the same issues for 4 years. But everything else besides those issues has vastly improved over the last 4 years. It’s taking too long to fix and Frost is largely to blame for that, but again, we are close to being a good team no matter how you slice it. You couldn’t say that in 2017, but you can now. If we get blown out multiple times to end the season and finish 3-9, I’ll be on board to fire Frost, but as it stands right now, it’s fixable and we are close. You simply do not fire a coach when the team is close and the issues are fixable.

Let’s say we do fire him though.

Nebraska IS NOT an attractive job right now. Nobody proven will want to come here. I’m sorry to break it to many of you but Matt Campbell is not “proven” and even he probably wouldn’t want to come here.

The odds of us hiring a coach who has us competing for B1G titles in 4 years if we fire Frost is exceedingly low.

The odds of Frost competing for B1G titles in 4 years is up for debate, but I don’t think any rational thinker can say that they are worse than any realistic alternative.


And to be clear, I am not happy about our losses and they way we lose. Frost has made a lot of mistakes. He is to blame for many of our losses and many of our shortcomings. I’m not saying he will for sure turn it around. I’m saying that even after the shit show that we’ve seen the last 4 years, I believe there is a better chance of him turning it around than any realistic hire if we fire him.

Just for shits, here is what I think needs to happen this off-season:
  1. Verdu out.
  2. Frost coaches QB’s.
  3. Austin out and replaced.
  4. Full time ST coordinator to fill Verdu’s open spot.
As it stands right now, I would anticipate us being in nearly every remaining game in the 4th quarter. I don’t think you’ll see many Vegas point spreads of +10 or more if we continue on this trajectory. I’m personally choosing to remain hopeful that we find some ways to win a few of those games because… the fixable can be fixed.

Love you guys.
Not being a Dick but what is your rationale that a new coach has a worse chance at having us competing for BIG titles in four years than Frost? I don’t think there is any proof Frost will ever get us there and if we continue to do bad on the field recruiting is going to suffer hurting Frost’s chances more.
 
I guess the games are better than 2017, but if all these things are fixable, why haven't they been fixed in 4 years? It's not as though any of those types of plays are anomalies of the Frost era... They have become the expectation. We can continue to hold they get fixed, but it seems this staff seem unsure how to do that.
 
I agree with most except us not being able to find a capable replacement, that’s a loser mentality. I do think we are moving in the right direction after being confident we should blow it up after Illinois. However if Austin isn’t launched into the fucking sun this off-season I will lose whatever shred of faith I have in Frost.
 
I agree with some of this. But, the games have not been fun to watch. In fact they have been excruciating to watch.
I thought last night was fun to watch for about 55 minutes.

I guess I’ve come to terms with the fact that as a sports fan it can still be fun to watch if my team isn’t blowing the other team out. It was a close night game against a ranked opponent. Those are what makes college football fun imo.
 
Taking the time to write all that shows you really care, so props on that.

That being said, these fixable things are things that should've been prevented in the first place with proper instruction and coaching. We fail to do the basic things well which narrows our margin for error considerably and that in turn magnifies the mistakes we inevitably make. We are undisciplined, don't have an offensive identity, and don't seem to have any situational awareness. We fuck up things that most competent high school coaching staffs get ironed out in practice before they crop up in games.

Regarding the desireable-ness (ha) of the Nebraska job, here are reasons to have hope:

1) Coaches go where they get paid. They really do.
2) New facilities on the way.
3) Great fan support and a national brand.
4) A good existing roster. There is enough talent on this team to be a top 20 squad.
5) Stability in the Athletic Department. Turd ain't goin nowhere and isn't going to be off at his ranch getting blasted.
6) Conference realignment is going to make a lot of successful coaches think harder about looking for jobs in the true power conferences.
7) This is the most important point - we gave Frost a fair shake. We gave him four solid years and plenty of rope. We didn't interfere in how he ran his program and the university bent over backwards for him. Candidates will be able to tell the difference between us firing Frost and us firing Frank or Bo.
 
Strongly disagree it’s not an attractive job - it’s not a top 5 job, but you’ll get interest from legit candidates if you pay enough - it offers money and a lot of resources and frankly not as much pressure these days.

strongly disagree that another coach can’t come in and compete for Big 10 titles within FOUR years - good lord, we’re the most talented team in the Big 10 West - a well coached team would be in the mix for the conference title game. This team has enough talent to immediately compete with the right leadership.

Frost is a bad coach - maybe he’ll improve, but it’s ridiculous we’re paying him $5M a year to “learn” on the job
 
Not being a Dick but what is your rationale that a new coach has a worse chance at having us competing for BIG titles in four years than Frost? I don’t think there is any proof Frost will ever get us there and if we continue to do bad on the field recruiting is going to suffer hurting Frost’s chances more.
I think I’m realistic about who we might get. I just don’t think we are an attractive job right now. We aren’t getting a “proven” P5 Coach IMO. I can’t think of any that I think would realistically jump ship to come here.
 
I think I’m realistic about who we might get. I just don’t think we are an attractive job right now. We aren’t getting a “proven” P5 Coach IMO. I can’t think of any that I think would realistically jump ship to come here.
You don’t think guys like Dave Clawson or Jeff Hafley would come? They would be upgrades over Frost.
 
I also don’t understand how you are determining fixable vs not - it was obvious Riley needed to go after less than 3 years (after a 9 win season) bc he was unfixable, but Frost opens his season by giving a bad Illinois team its only win and he’s clearly fixable??

im not arguing Riley was fixable, but why is it that Frost is fixable when he’s had four years to stop putting the same bad product in the field or making a coaching change and hasn’t?
 
I guess the games are better than 2017, but if all these things are fixable, why haven't they been fixed in 4 years? It's not as though any of those types of plays are anomalies of the Frost era... They have become the expectation. We can continue to hold they get fixed, but it seems this staff seem unsure how to do that.
I don’t disagree. I think Frost’s biggest mistake has been a hesitancy to use one of his assistant coach spots on a dedicated ST coach. I know he’s stubborn but I think after this season he’s going to be smart enough to swallow his pride and do it.
 
I guess the games are better than 2017, but if all these things are fixable, why haven't they been fixed in 4 years? It's not as though any of those types of plays are anomalies of the Frost era... They have become the expectation. We can continue to hold they get fixed, but it seems this staff seem unsure how to do that.
This is the most important point. The fixable things don't get fixed and they're the same fixable things as 4 years ago.
 
I don’t disagree. I think Frost’s biggest mistake has been a hesitancy to use one of his assistant coach spots on a dedicated ST coach. I know he’s stubborn but I think after this season he’s going to be smart enough to swallow his pride and do it.
Where does that spot come from? You said Verduzco out and Frost in, but does any HC in the country have a position that he is responsible for like a full time assistant?
 
I don’t disagree. I think Frost’s biggest mistake has been a hesitancy to use one of his assistant coach spots on a dedicated ST coach. I know he’s stubborn but I think after this season he’s going to be smart enough to swallow his pride and do it.

The coach who has never had to swallow his pride will suddenly learn how after four years. That’s what this analysis is hanging on…. It’s basically just hope.
 

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