B1G Hates Us Theory - Motive?

[Huskers633]

I get all the logic and monetary reasons for the B1G move but I fucking hate the B1G. Retarded stupid conference.

This is exactly how I've felt since Covid and how this conference responded to it. Since then I've said "thanks for the money, but I hope this conference burns."

 

[Ripping Lips]

I just figured that the BIG refs hate us over claiming the 97 Championship over Meatchicken.

 

[nja13]

The best explanation I've heard is that Delaney and the other B1G higher ups felt like Nebraska pulled a fast one with the Academic research stuff. I always forget what its called..AAU or some such. Anyway we needed that to join the Big Ten and then promptly lost it about the same time the ink was drying on the contracts for the move. That's also why the big push for us to get it back. There is legit concern the B1G would ask us to leave as it is a part of their qualifications to join/be in this conference. This is something that I read when Blo was still the coach but it did make sense at the time...sort of. It has nothing to do with betting or Vegas.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Nebraska didn't "pull a fast one" with the AAU. We were members of the AAU for 100 years before joining the Big Ten. And then we were voted out with the help of fellow Big Ten schools. Not sure why B1G higher ups would be mad at us for that.

 

[Ext. 55]

Here I thought it was based on 2016 research that showed per capita Nebraska has the largest cocks in the country who act like the biggest bitches during every game.

 

[alt f4]

Here's the problem...everyone bitches about the refs and now no one wants to be a ref.

I've got a friend here in WA that is 64 yrs old. Still refs WA HS FB games. He says it's gotten so bad, their entire pool of refs is like 50% of what it needs to be. And average age is like 60. No one wants to be a referee anymore, mainly bc we've vilified the role for the last 20 yrs. He says there are zero younger guys coming along who want to learn it. It's all the same recycled 60 yr old crews. They have to ref HS games with one less guy due to the shortage. It's a real problem.

They get attacked at youth sports games & it goes viral etc.

We're continuing to bitch about refs but it's actually adding to the problem because now no one wants to be one.

What are we doing to attract younger people into wanting to go into refereeing?

That's the biggest issue IMO. No one wants this job anymore. No one wants to be shit on in social media for making a mistake. Attacked by idiot helicopter parents. Etc

I can only speak locally, Through UNL there are a group of officials who work in the campus rec department and they do a great job with the younger campus rec officials and get them into the high school ranks. My high school crew and all subs we get are all former campus rec officials. However, this is stictly Lincoln area and outside of that there isn't much, if anything. Lincoln and Omaha have developmental programs as well, but no recruitment.

There are a lot of younger officials whose expectations are doing Class A or Class B high school ball game 1. We're honestly to that point that it is what most official's first games are a Class A or B varsity game.

I got out of college because of travel and pay. Typically it would be 5-6 hours on the roads round trip, 2 hour pre-game meetins and dress, 3 hour game, They turn into 10-12 hour days really fast for $210. You're only working to try and make it to the next level. Once you start having a family your college career is pretty much over.

 

[alt f4]

Are big ten officials direct employees of the big ten conference or are they subcontracted out from a private company for the season? I asked a few friends of mine and they think direct employees because of bowl games and non-conference games they say “Big ten officials” but that could also be part of the language in the contract?

The hiring, recruiting and development is through College Officiating Consortium (COC). The COC assigns Big Ten, MAC, Pioneer, and Missouri Valley conferences for football. Techinally independent contractors with the conferences, but everything runs through COC.

ACC is through ACFOA with AAC, ACC, Big South, and SIAC
Big 12 is Football Officiating Alliance (Mountain West, Big 12, American and Southland

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

I can only speak locally, Through UNL there are a group of officials who work in the campus rec department and they do a great job with the younger campus rec officials and get them into the high school ranks. My high school crew and all subs we get are all former campus rec officials. However, this is stictly Lincoln area and outside of that there isn't much, if anything. Lincoln and Omaha have developmental programs as well, but no recruitment.

There are a lot of younger officials whose expectations are doing Class A or Class B high school ball game 1. We're honestly to that point that it is what most official's first games are a Class A or B varsity game.

I got out of college because of travel and pay. Typically it would be 5-6 hours on the roads round trip, 2 hour pre-game meetins and dress, 3 hour game, They turn into 10-12 hour days really fast for $210. You're only working to try and make it to the next level. Once you start having a family your college career is pretty much over.

Man, seems like you could easily triple that pay or more to retain & attract some talent & not have it be burdensome to the universities or conferences. 7 officials x 400 more = 2800 a game or ~34k a year for the whole season. Can't believe it's not worth it to major universities to add like one grad assistant pay's worth and get some more competent people officiating.

 

[nja13]

I can only speak locally, Through UNL there are a group of officials who work in the campus rec department and they do a great job with the younger campus rec officials and get them into the high school ranks. My high school crew and all subs we get are all former campus rec officials. However, this is stictly Lincoln area and outside of that there isn't much, if anything. Lincoln and Omaha have developmental programs as well, but no recruitment.

There are a lot of younger officials whose expectations are doing Class A or Class B high school ball game 1. We're honestly to that point that it is what most official's first games are a Class A or B varsity game.

I got out of college because of travel and pay. Typically it would be 5-6 hours on the roads round trip, 2 hour pre-game meetins and dress, 3 hour game, They turn into 10-12 hour days really fast for $210. You're only working to try and make it to the next level. Once you start having a family your college career is pretty much over.

I was an offfical for Campus Rec intraumurals in the mid to late '90s, so obviously, I'm speaking to what the program was then without knowlege of how it is run today.

I officiated basketball and they had a great training program. You met, I think, three times in a classroom setting going over rules, mechanics and watching video examples. Then the last night they brought in a couple of teams to play ball and had us rookies officiating while having an experienced official shadow us making the calls if we missed one.

To @alt f4 's point about experience... at the time before Christmas was the co-rec season, which was teams with boys and girls on them (boys could not enter the lane on offense or defense, and everything a girl scored was 1 more point than normal). That was the first season I reffed.

Then after Christmas was the mens season. I remember the first mens game I officiated. The speed was so much greater than the co-rec games. I was not prepared for it, and missed a bunch of stuff. I appoligized to the teams so profusely after the game I think they felt bad for me. But after a while I adapted and gained confidence.

But anyway, the UNL Camps Rec program had a really good training system in place at the time and I hope they still do.

I know the NSAA has ad campains and such to recruit new officials because the shortage is everywhere.

 

[Huskersballz]

It’s definitely the smug “Old Guard” group of guys like Barry Alvarez and such that sit in Chicago and smell each others farts out of wine glasses all day that have pushed for not only officiating bias but also scheduling bias against Nebraska. No reason but out of a pure sense of entitlement that traditionalism brings. Same group of guys that prioritized winning the Rose Bowl over National Championships.

 

[Stan Raymond]

Here's the problem...everyone bitches about the refs and now no one wants to be a ref.

I've got a friend here in WA that is 64 yrs old. Still refs WA HS FB games. He says it's gotten so bad, their entire pool of refs is like 50% of what it needs to be. And average age is like 60. No one wants to be a referee anymore, mainly bc we've vilified the role for the last 20 yrs. He says there are zero younger guys coming along who want to learn it. It's all the same recycled 60 yr old crews. They have to ref HS games with one less guy due to the shortage. It's a real problem.

They get attacked at youth sports games & it goes viral etc.

We're continuing to bitch about refs but it's actually adding to the problem because now no one wants to be one.

Everyone bitches. More than in the past.

Here we are complaining about the refs, and Purdue had 13 for 165.

Fans will continue to argue obvious calls. That interception by Illinois was a great play by Cox, but Nebraska fans will continue to argue that it was a TD catch and the refs screwed us. Fans have a hard time admitting they are wrong on a call and see things very wrong a lot.

Sure refs get calls wrong. The speed of the game is incredible, so much going on fast. Then we back it up and watch it zoomed in on a loop and call it a horrible call that shows bias against our team. It's crazy the amount of energy spent on complaining about the refs, by all fanbases, in all sports. Then the media feeds it, nothing like a controversy, really fuels the debate style formats. It's just the way society is now, you have to be 100% all in the refs are against us, clear bias against my team.

In actuality the refs do a pretty good job, they get almost everything right. But that doesn't matter, to any fanbase, they are just going to bitch and claim some bias. Everybody's team gets unfair treatment and there is bias against them by the refs, the conference, the committee, the media, the announcers etc.

It's what American society has become, instead of fairly looking at a call, just call it bias against us, the other team is doing it as well.

 

[djw004]

Everyone bitches. More than in the past.

Here we are complaining about the refs, and Purdoodoo had 13 for 165.

Fans will continue to argue obvious calls. That interception by Illinois was a great play by Cox, but Nebraska fans will continue to argue that it was a TD catch and the refs screwed us. Fans have a hard time admitting they are wrong on a call and see things very wrong a lot.

Sure refs get calls wrong. The speed of the game is incredible, so much going on fast. Then we back it up and watch it zoomed in on a loop and call it a horrible call that shows bias against our team. It's crazy the amount of energy spent on complaining about the refs, by all fanbases, in all sports. Then the media feeds it, nothing like a controversy, really fuels the debate style formats. It's just the way society is now, you have to be 100% all in the refs are against us, clear bias against my team.

In actuality the refs do a pretty good job, they get almost everything right. But that doesn't matter, to any fanbase, they are just going to bitch and claim some bias. Everybody's team gets unfair treatment and there is bias against them by the refs, the conference, the committee, the media, the announcers etc.

It's what American society has become, instead of fairly looking at a call, just call it bias against us, the other team is doing it as well.

well...this was fun until you showed up...

 

[Sous Chef]

This doesn't make any sense to me. Nebraska didn't "pull a fast one" with the AAU. We were members of the AAU for 100 years before joining the Big Ten. And then we were voted out with the help of fellow Big Ten schools. Not sure why B1G higher ups would be mad at us for that.

Nebraska loses AAU status

During the Big Ten's expansion study, league officials often listed membership in the American Association of Universities as a trait they'd like in any new member.

www.espn.com

Here is a pretty good write up on the whole thing. Like I've already said this was something I read many years ago now. I'm trying to remember but the gist was promises were made by NU and they weren't upheld. It says in the article that NU saw it coming a decade before it happened. And did nada to retain the status.

 

[Stan Raymond]

well...this was fun until you showed up...

Sorry. Just never bought that the B1G hates us and is conspiring against our athletic teams. It makes no logical sense at all.

 

[Juro]

Because our corn is better than Cockeye and Cockeye being the bitches they are, complained to higher ups in the B1G about it.

But seriously, Cockeye, Michigan, OSU, and PSU get the more favorable calls since they have the best chances to represent the B1G across the nation.

 

[greybeardedchild]

Sorry. Just never bought that the B1G hates us and is conspiring against our athletic teams. It makes no logical sense at all.

I take it you haven't bothered to learn the truth about 9/11 either? (Scurries off to Hy-Vee parking lot)

 

[Sous Chef]

I take it you haven't bothered to learn the truth about 9/11 either? (Scurries off to Hy-Vee parking lot)

He probably thinks that Lee Harvey really shot JFK

 

[HughJanus]

Hypothetically, how would people feel about entirely video/AI officiating? Watching the NFL games on Amazon they sometimes have the AI graphic augmentation around the defensive players likely bringing pressure on each play. It doesn't seem like a stretch to think that soon they could implement a series of cameras to cover the field of play and have a computer enforce penalties in real time.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I take it you haven't bothered to learn the truth about 9/11 either? (Scurries off to Hy-Vee parking lot)

He probably thinks that Lee Harvey really shot JFK

Sounds like I've got a lot to learn.

 

[Mr.Bojangles]

Virginia Tech also got buttfucked by the ACC refs. I think it’s a systemic issue at this point.

Kansas also got butt fucked by the refs in the TCU game.

 

[Stan Raymond]

Kansas also got butt fucked by the refs in the TCU game.

Probably because Kansas is Nebraska's neighbor.