Are you out on Rhule?

[king_kong_]

Minnesota, Cockeye, Illinois, NW all have an identity. Tough play, good special teams (especially cockeye), good LOS play, stingy defenses. They don't get great skill player talent a lot, though.

The ability to attract better skill player talent overall than those schools listed above makes our ceiling higher (and the fact that we are barely still a blue blood), but with subpar LOS play, that negates the skill player advantage (which even that advantage is not aways there for us vs those teams in reality, just the prospect that we usually have or can recruit/portal in better skill player talent overall than those schools).

If we concentrate on building a pipe line of consistently good LOS play and players in the trenches, that will be 75% of whats need to truly get back on track. I still don't think we will ever get back to yearly top 10 level status. I think the game has changed too much for that to happen for us. But at least get us to yearly top 25 level status.

Rhule has neither the conviction nor vision to accomplish this

I do agree, however, that establishing an identity is key for whoever we hire next

 

[GAHusker]

We just have to realize that we are in the Minnesota tier now. This is what a decent season looks like for programs like this.

We spend way, way more than Minnesota (in addition to a lot of other things we do too). Just because Minnesota has a better coach doesn’t make Minnesota the standard

 

[SlumpBuster]

Still not.

But not as much progress as I'd like this year no doubt.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

Blah blah blah. You also posted similar things defending Frost and attacking "chicken littles" aka people who have the ability to think for themselves. If it looks like a duck dude.

Miss me w that. I emotionally detached from this season the second Raiola got injured for obvious reasons.

Posts like this on here just lack perspective to me. I am coming off a major work bender. Vacationing in a beautiful place. Serenity now.

 

[Stan Raymond]

If he turns it around, which is a big fucking IF, it's now going to be harder and take longer as he's lost a ton of recruiting momentum and it's awful hard to sell recruits or portal players a successful plan after these 3 seasons.

 

[Irv]

If he turns it around, which is a big fucking IF, it's now going to be harder and take longer as he's lost a ton of recruiting momentum and it's awful hard to sell recruits or portal players a successful plan after these 3 seasons.

I think this is a big concern. We passed on a quick fix model and opted to play the long game. Unfortunately, we lost.

 

[Flabio]

I think this is a big concern. We passed on a quick fix model and opted to play the long game. Unfortunately, we lost.

Yes and no. If you think back on some major recruitments such as Sone they won the recruitment only to have GA come in over the top at the 11th hour to pay him more in NIL and who knows what else. I still think NIL has to become competitive if not for Rhule then to show the commitment for enticing the next staff to come aboard.

 

[SlumpBuster]

I think this is a big concern. We passed on a quick fix model and opted to play the long game. Unfortunately, we're losing and it's going to take some significant effort to get back on track

FIFY

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Channeling my inner Cav

Key Pattern​

Most coaches who start ~.500 in their first three seasons do not become long-term winners. Trends we consistently see:

1. If you don’t show a major jump by Year 3, you're unlikely to become elite.​

Saban, Ferentz, Snyder all had Year 3 jumps (even if small).
Failed coaches usually didn’t.

2. Recruiting suffers after Year 2 if trajectory isn’t upward.​

3. Culture problems show up by Year 3 and rarely reverse.​

4. Administrations get impatient at big programs.​

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📊​

✔️ Successful examples who started ~.500:​

• Nick Saban (MSU)
• Bill Snyder
• Kirk Ferentz
  (Rare)

❌ Much more common outcome:​

A coach starts ~.500 → never breaks through → fired by Year 4–5
Examples: Frost, Strong, Taggart, Butch Jones, Herm Edwards, etc.

 

[Cash68847]

Matt Campbell would take the job and outperform Rhule without question

Maybe he ends up at PSU.

 

[herbsinator]

Channeling my inner Cav

Key Pattern​

Most coaches who start ~.500 in their first three seasons do not become long-term winners. Trends we consistently see:

1. If you don’t show a major jump by Year 3, you're unlikely to become elite.​

Saban, Ferentz, Snyder all had Year 3 jumps (even if small).
Failed coaches usually didn’t.

2. Recruiting suffers after Year 2 if trajectory isn’t upward.​

3. Culture problems show up by Year 3 and rarely reverse.​

4. Administrations get impatient at big programs.​

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📊​

✔️ Successful examples who started ~.500:​

• Nick Saban (MSU)
• Bill Snyder
• Kirk Ferentz
  (Rare)

❌ Much more common outcome:​

A coach starts ~.500 → never breaks through → fired by Year 4–5
Examples: Frost, Strong, Taggart, Butch Jones, Herm Edwards, etc.

Go look at Ferentz’s record. There are probably 3-4 different points in his tenure where he would have been fired with the same results at Nebraska. I think there is a lesson there.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Go look at Ferentz’s record. There are probably 3-4 different points in his tenure where he would have been fired with the same results at Nebraska. I think there is a lesson there.

Well if Rhule goes 11-2 next year like Ferentz did in year 4, then I will happily eat crow.

There is no other 3 year stretch in Ferentz’s coaching that was as bad as Rhule’s outside the first one. So not sure where you’re getting the 3-4 number at

 

[herbsinator]

Well if Rhule goes 11-2 next year like Ferentz did in year 4, then I will happily eat crow.

There is no other 3 year stretch in Ferentz’s coaching that was as bad as Rhule’s outside the first one. So not sure where you’re getting the 3-4 number at

There would have been major heat yo get rid of Ferentz during any of these runs:

 

[Flabio]

Channeling my inner Cav

Key Pattern​

Most coaches who start ~.500 in their first three seasons do not become long-term winners. Trends we consistently see:

1. If you don’t show a major jump by Year 3, you're unlikely to become elite.​

Saban, Ferentz, Snyder all had Year 3 jumps (even if small).
Failed coaches usually didn’t.

2. Recruiting suffers after Year 2 if trajectory isn’t upward.​

3. Culture problems show up by Year 3 and rarely reverse.​

4. Administrations get impatient at big programs.​

---

📊​

✔️ Successful examples who started ~.500:​

• Nick Saban (MSU)
• Bill Snyder
• Kirk Ferentz
  (Rare)

❌ Much more common outcome:​

A coach starts ~.500 → never breaks through → fired by Year 4–5
Examples: Frost, Strong, Taggart, Butch Jones, Herm Edwards, etc.

Points taken however DR being injured cost us the USC game and who knows how the rest of the season would’ve played out with the way EJ was running. TJ was a huge drop off.

 

[SlumpBuster]

There is no other 3 year stretch in Ferentz’s coaching that was as bad as Rhule’s outside the first one. So not sure where you’re getting the 3-4 number at

The first 3 years: 11-24 worse
05-07: 19-18 (coming off a 31-7 stretch) is worse considering starting point
10-12: Again, coming off a good couple years makes 19-19 really bad

Since we're talking about .500 coaching then doing well, it's pretty easy to argue how Ferentz has done that multiple times.

It's a pretty valid comparison.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

There would have been major heat yo get rid of Ferentz during any of these runs:
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🤣🤣🤣 none of the above are three year stretches. Way to dunk on yourself

 

[herbsinator]

🤣🤣🤣 none of the above are three year stretches. Way to dunk on yourself

Where did I ever say anything about a 3 year stretch? You invented that in your head.

 

[SlumpBuster]

🤣🤣🤣 none of the above are three year stretches. Way to dunk on yourself

See above

 

[Flabio]

Upgrade some assistants, fund NIL to nationally competitive levels, cut a good amount out of the younger classes who aren’t going to make it, have a big transfer season. That’s the best scenario we can ask for rn.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

The first 3 years: 11-24 worse
05-07: 19-18 (coming off a 31-7 stretch) is worse considering starting point
10-12: Again, coming off a good couple years makes 19-19 really bad

Since we're talking about .500 coaching then doing well, it's pretty easy to argue how Ferentz has done that multiple times.

It's a pretty valid comparison.

If Rhule can have multi 10+ win seasons he definitely earns a longer leash for rough seasons. Statistically speaking Rhule will be fired within a couple years.