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They pulled the numbers from the USA Today website, which has Nebraska’s numbers wrong for some reason. Here is what the website you linked to shows for total booster contributions for Nebraska:

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Do you really think Cockeye has 4 times the amount of support as Nebraska? Nebraska actually reported $76.3m in donor contributions for FY23-24 with $30.5m specifically earmarked for football.
Yeah this has to be a reporting quirk. No way this is accurate.
 
That is pathetic. Would you estimate rev share and NIL yearly is about $20mm? Based on the talent level on the team it was pretty clear NIL was way off the mark.
I would be way out over my skis trying to figure out where we land from a dollar standpoint on that because I don't even think they've finalized rev share and merged with what they are doing from NIL. Pretty obvious when you look at our recruiting class situation. But our roster is good enough for 8 wins right now.

I would say we were a 20-25 mill. Rhule wants another 5-10 mill.
 
We just don’t have enough rich alums to get top NIL.

Best hope is Buffett starts to sundown and accidentally wires the university a billy
If they can start getting the Omaha money to spend down in Lincoln I think we would be ok. Your problem is you had a self-sustaining athletic department that really didn't need that money until NIL and Rev-Share came along so they didn't have to go there unless it was West/East stadium expansions, new facilities, etc.

But mostly our donors that have the money aren't as on board with just paying guys to get them here like an Ohio State, Georgia, Notre Dame... heck even like Texas Tech. The guy that paid Jeff Sims his half mill to come here probably doesn't even donate anymore after how that went lol
 
I mean if Rhule gets exactly what you spend out of the roster, what good is Rhule?
So, people got mad at me for bringing this up, but that's kind of where the boosters go sometimes with it. If you need more money after losing to Indiana, Illinois, and Cockeye last year who have less of it than you and one of those places had a first year head coach, at what point is it a coaching issue? They are "fine" with losses to USC and Ohio State last year.

Right or wrong, that's where that conversation can go in a hurry.
 
I would be way out over my skis trying to figure out where we land from a dollar standpoint on that because I don't even think they've finalized rev share and merged with what they are doing from NIL. Pretty obvious when you look at our recruiting class situation. But our roster is good enough for 8 wins right now.

I would say we were a 20-25 mill. Rhule wants another 5-10 mill.
We are a good OT and DT from being 7-1 or maybe 8-0 if we don’t shit the bed vs the Golden Rats.
 
I would think the following schools probably have higher player comp budgets than us, but curious to hear who you’d leave off this list.

Ohio State
Michigan
USC
Oregon
Penn State
Alabama
Georgia
Tennessee
Florida
Ole Miss
LSU
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Miami

Maybe:
Arkansas
Clemson
Auburn
I'll just post what I did about a month ago when people disagreed on us being outside the top 25. The top 25 aren't really even debatable for us having better NIL than them:

20 teams I know have more NIL than us: Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, A&M, Alabama, Texas, Florida State, Miami, and Clemson.

5 more teams I'm pretty sure have more NIL than us from seeing what they did in the transfer portal and boosters after that to knock us out of the top 25: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, SMU, and BYU.

So now do teams like these 12 have more that could knock us out of the top 40? Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisville, North Carolina, UCLA, Washington, Northwestern, Arizona State, Kansas, Houston, Utah, or Baylor.

I know the first 25 have more than us, those last 12 some of them have really heavy boosters that care like Papa John's, Michael Jordan, etc. I think it's a healthy debate, I just feel pretty good saying we are between 30-40 somewhere.
 
I'll just post what I did about a month ago when people disagreed on us being outside the top 25. The top 25 aren't really even debatable for us having better NIL than them:

20 teams I know have more NIL than us: Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, A&M, Alabama, Texas, Florida State, Miami, and Clemson.

5 more teams I'm pretty sure have more NIL than us from seeing what they did in the transfer portal and boosters after that to knock us out of the top 25: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, SMU, and BYU.

So now do teams like these 12 have more that could knock us out of the top 40? Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisville, North Carolina, UCLA, Washington, Northwestern, Arizona State, Kansas, Houston, Utah, or Baylor.

I know the first 25 have more than us, those last 12 some of them have really heavy boosters that care like Papa John's, Michael Jordan, etc. I think it's a healthy debate, I just feel pretty good saying we are between 30-40 somewhere.
Florida State having more than us is pathetic
 
I'll just post what I did about a month ago when people disagreed on us being outside the top 25. The top 25 aren't really even debatable for us having better NIL than them:

20 teams I know have more NIL than us: Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, A&M, Alabama, Texas, Florida State, Miami, and Clemson.

5 more teams I'm pretty sure have more NIL than us from seeing what they did in the transfer portal and boosters after that to knock us out of the top 25: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, SMU, and BYU.

So now do teams like these 12 have more that could knock us out of the top 40? Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisville, North Carolina, UCLA, Washington, Northwestern, Arizona State, Kansas, Houston, Utah, or Baylor.

I know the first 25 have more than us, those last 12 some of them have really heavy boosters that care like Papa John's, Michael Jordan, etc. I think it's a healthy debate, I just feel pretty good saying we are between 30-40 somewhere.
I will say this feels about right from what my eyes are telling me on Saturdays.

We need to raise/spend more $ to be competitive. It’s truly not complicated. I’m not saying it’s easy, but it’s not hard to figure out.
 
Ok fake news guy. If you look it up in 23/24 Cockeye did for sure.

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So how is it wrong. Please explain.


Ok dumbass, you’re trying to put numbers on something that numbers aren’t publicly available for. No fake numbers that AI gives you is going to make me believe you.


They pulled the numbers from the USA Today website, which has Nebraska’s numbers wrong for some reason. Here is what the website you linked to shows for total booster contributions for Nebraska:

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Do you really think Cockeye has 4 times the amount of support as Nebraska? Nebraska actually reported $76.3m in donor contributions for FY23-24 with $30.5m specifically earmarked for football.


I won't pretend to know where Nebraska's NIL number sits, but this data being shared is based on passed fund raising numbers, which are public. So in a sense, its extrapolating an NIL number based on passed athletic department donations. While that might seem like a fair assessment, its flawed.

1. Just because some wealthy donor gives 50k every year to his alma mater doesn't mean that same donor is going to give that money to NIL.

2. There are just as likely people donating to NIL who never once cared about making donations to the athletic department.
 
5 more teams I'm pretty sure have more NIL than us from seeing what they did in the transfer portal and boosters after that to knock us out of the top 25: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, SMU, and BYU.

Oklahoma State has the worst NIL apparatus in the Big 12. They don't have anything close to Nebraska.

Texas Tech and SMU are actually both top 10 nationally now.
 
I'll just post what I did about a month ago when people disagreed on us being outside the top 25. The top 25 aren't really even debatable for us having better NIL than them:

20 teams I know have more NIL than us: Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, A&M, Alabama, Texas, Florida State, Miami, and Clemson.

5 more teams I'm pretty sure have more NIL than us from seeing what they did in the transfer portal and boosters after that to knock us out of the top 25: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, SMU, and BYU.

So now do teams like these 12 have more that could knock us out of the top 40? Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisville, North Carolina, UCLA, Washington, Northwestern, Arizona State, Kansas, Houston, Utah, or Baylor.

I know the first 25 have more than us, those last 12 some of them have really heavy boosters that care like Papa John's, Michael Jordan, etc. I think it's a healthy debate, I just feel pretty good saying we are between 30-40 somewhere.
Just to add some additional color here. For FY24, Nebraska was 10th in total revenue (basically a 3 way tie for 7th with PSU and LSU). 7th in total donor contributions (4 way tie for 5th with OU, Tennessee, and Bama).

I don’t dispute that we’re behind in NIL, but Rhule’s point I think is that we are otherwise running with the big dogs in all other financial metrics. It’s time that we figure out the NIL piece because there’s clearly money there. Need to find a way to properly allocate it.
 
So, people got mad at me for bringing this up, but that's kind of where the boosters go sometimes with it. If you need more money after losing to Indiana, Illinois, and Cockeye last year who have less of it than you and one of those places had a first year head coach, at what point is it a coaching issue? They are "fine" with losses to USC and Ohio State last year.

Right or wrong, that's where that conversation can go in a hurry.
Feels like an unavoidable place to end up in the discussion, imo.

All I know is the history of sport is littered with examples of coaches who outperform their resourcing and even their individual talent on paper. NIL hasn't changed anything about that fact.

So the question for me is regardless of what level they are spending at, are they outperforming their current investment?
 
I will say this feels about right from what my eyes are telling me on Saturdays.

We need to raise/spend more $ to be competitive. It’s truly not complicated. I’m not saying it’s easy, but it’s not hard to figure out.
Ya I don't think that's out of line, if someone disagrees with one or two of the top 20 that I put just shove Notre Dame and Texas Tech in there instead which I know spend more than us as well.

It does have to be frustrating as a coach when you are having to decide between keeping Dowdell OR Johnson. He made the right decision, but having another guy with P4 experience come back would have been great. It sucks we had to decide between getting elite DEs or elite DTs, wish we could have got both. Things like that.
 
My somewhat simplistic take on NIL is that the difference between being #10 & #40 is relatively small, and in that range it's much more about smart allocation, development, & culture than it is about a few percentage points on the bottom line.

Even if another school has 20% more, are they poaching a bought-in 100k guy to jump ship for an offer of 120k? If a top recruit loves our program & we offer him $1 million, is a $1.2 million offer elsewhere going to drop us out of the running?

Yeah, it's always better to have more, and we'll probably have to be in that top echelon to make the jump from good to elite, but I just don't see this as a top 2-3 issue for us making the next step or two. Maximize what you have, and you'll outclass other teams who have a little bit more, plus you'll open up wallets to increase what you have if you show you're using it well.
 
My somewhat simplistic take on NIL is that the difference between being #10 & #40 is relatively small, and in that range it's much more about smart allocation, development, & culture than it is about a few percentage points on the bottom line.

Even if another school has 20% more, are they poaching a bought-in 100k guy to jump ship for an offer of 120k? If a top recruit loves our program & we offer him $1 million, is a $1.2 million offer elsewhere going to drop us out of the running?

Yeah, it's always better to have more, and we'll probably have to be in that top echelon to make the jump from good to elite, but I just don't see this as a top 2-3 issue for us making the next step or two. Maximize what you have, and you'll outclass other teams who have a little bit more, plus you'll open up wallets to increase what you have if you show you're using it well.
I was actually just going to come on and say something similar... just because I'm pretty sure we are 25-40 doesn't mean I think we are in this horrific situation. While it means we are losing starters to the portal to go be backups at places with more money, it's not some crazy insurmountable hill to climb.

With that said, if it was just 1-2 million we were short, I don't think Rhule would have went public with how we need to do better with NIL. I think we are short 5-10 million which is 18-33% of a shortfall from a 30 million dollar budget he mentioned. That is actually a fair amount. I remember schools calling for some things asking for scraps from me for a project they were doing because "we already went to our heavy hitters." I have a feeling that the guys that are really invested in NIL for us like the Peeds are nearly tapped on what they can do.

It's honestly one of the reasons Turd left to A&M. In the NIL world, there just wasn't enough to be spread around in Lincoln for stadium projects AND paying the players. Conversely, in College Station he has the Bucee's founder giving him 50 million a couple years ago, 60 million this year. It's actually crazy to me how much money is out there.
 
I was actually just going to come on and say something similar... just because I'm pretty sure we are 25-40 doesn't mean I think we are in this horrific situation. While it means we are losing starters to the portal to go be backups at places with more money, it's not some crazy insurmountable hill to climb.

With that said, if it was just 1-2 million we were short, I don't think Rhule would have went public with how we need to do better with NIL. I think we are short 5-10 million which is 18-33% of a shortfall from a 30 million dollar budget he mentioned. That is actually a fair amount. I remember schools calling for some things asking for scraps from me for a project they were doing because "we already went to our heavy hitters." I have a feeling that the guys that are really invested in NIL for us like the Peeds are nearly tapped on what they can do.

It's honestly one of the reasons Turd left to A&M. In the NIL world, there just wasn't enough to be spread around in Lincoln for stadium projects AND paying the players. Conversely, in College Station he has the Bucee's founder giving him 50 million a couple years ago, 60 million this year. It's actually crazy to me how much money is out there.
which brings us full circle to Warren Buffett being a lil bitch
 
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