Taylor/Ellis transferring to Millard South

[Alcaus]

From what I saw, schools are required to disclose the total amount, but not individual transactions. If players become employees, that will probably change.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect insight into individual transactions but an accounting of what money left would have to be kept, I'd think.

 

[Carm]

Not sure? Since the money is “revenue” (ticket sales, TV money, concessions sales) and not directly from the tax payer(s) it may not be subject to FOIA. IDK?

those revenues belong to the taxpayers, not the Athletic dept (which doesn't have a separate legal personality). The athletic self-funding notion is simply a cost accounting result.

Why is this different from, say, third party research funding?

 

[Carm]

Here's an interesting question (at least to me): The courts (including the Sup Ct) have held the Sherman Anti-trust Act applies to college football. That being the case, it would seem if all the competitors released their revenue sharing payments to specified individuals it would in effect be anti-competitive because it would allow teams to bid for players knowing exactly what they are making elsewhere. Normally competitors are not allowed to share this kind of information directly. How would the state law function if that were the case?

 

[V-Doub]

those revenues belong to the taxpayers, not the Athletic dept (which doesn't have a separate legal personality). The athletic self-funding notion is simply a cost accounting result.

Why is this different from, say, third party research funding?

IDK? I was asking, not proclaiming to know.

 

[alt f4]

This is strictly my hunch, we will see college paid coaches placed in 'volunteer' positions at pipeline high schools.


Within the next season or two Nebraska will have a coach or coaches on staff in high schools, more than likely MS and/or Westside.


I've searched and asked, but there is no rules against this, except a volunteer coach cannot be paid by the school or school associated boosters.

 

[herbsinator]

Here's an interesting question (at least to me): The courts (including the Sup Ct) have held the Sherman Anti-trust Act applies to college football. That being the case, it would seem if all the competitors released their revenue sharing payments to specified individuals it would in effect be anti-competitive because it would allow teams to bid for players knowing exactly what they are making elsewhere. Normally competitors are not allowed to share this kind of information directly. How would the state law function if that were the case?

If I recall correctly from my Antitrust Law class, I don’t think publishing the information itself would be necessarily illegal (although could be used as evidence of anticompetitive behavior). There has to be an agreement between competitors to not compete.

For example, two gas stations across the street both publish their prices and almost always they will price match. That’s not illegal because there is no explicit agreement between the gas stations to fix prices.

As another example, big law firms will often publish their salaries and bonuses and then other firms will match based on the market leaders. Again, not illegal, so long as there is no actual agreement amongst the firms to compete.

 

[Carm]

This is strictly my hunch, we will see college paid coaches placed in 'volunteer' positions at pipeline high schools.


Within the next season or two Nebraska will have a coach or coaches on staff in high schools, more than likely MS and/or Westside.


I've searched and asked, but there is no rules against this, except a volunteer coach cannot be paid by the school or school associated boosters.

Benning is already in close proximity to the arrangement you describe - assistant football coach at Westside, employee of Play Fly Sports (sitgnificant NIL funder) doing Nebraska football broadcasts

 

[Carm]

If I recall correctly from my Antitrust Law class, I don’t think publishing the information itself would be necessarily illegal (although could be used as evidence of anticompetitive behavior). There has to be an agreement between competitors to not compete.

For example, two gas stations across the street both publish their prices and almost always they will price match. That’s not illegal because there is no explicit agreement between the gas stations to fix prices.

As another example, big law firms will often publish their salaries and bonuses and then other firms will match based on the market leaders. Again, not illegal, so long as there is no actual agreement amongst the firms to compete.

Not sure the gas station one is on point, because retail prices are always publicly knowable, but I take your point on the law firms.

Pretty much all businesses share compensation information indirectly, which is where the data HR department buy to create salary bands for specific job types originates. And there are SEC rules requiring public disclosure of the compensation a limited number of highly paid individuals at each company. I have never seen a situation in which all businesses in a competitive industry are forced to disclose what they pay to each individual employee or contractor.

As I think more about this, it is probably vastly more likely that private sharing of the revenue sharing data between schools would be viewed as non-competitive given that you're definitely starting from a point from which collusion can be inferred. I am not sure how you would defend private sharing as it is hard to understand what the purpose could be if it wasn't depressing compensation levels.

Publicly required sharing (by state law) would probably provide ironclad safety.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Not sure the gas station one is on point, because retail prices are always publicly knowable, but I take your point on the law firms.

Pretty much all businesses share compensation information indirectly, which is where the data HR department buy to create salary bands for specific jobs originates. And there are SEC rules requiring public disclosure of a limited number of highly paid individuals. I have never seen a situation in which all competitive businesses are forced to disclose what they pay to each individual employee or contractor.

Public universities do publish salaries of all of their employees so competitors know exactly what some professor makes if they want to poach them, at least the university paid component.

But as someone who knows very little about FOIA, it generally seems like an interesting test case as to whether someone could access individual revenue share payments

 

[Carm]

Public universities do publish salaries of all of their employees so competitors know exactly what some professor makes if they want to poach them, at least the university paid component.

good point

But as someone who knows very little about FOIA, it generally seems like an interesting test case as to whether someone could access individual revenue share payments

There is no federal right that makes an individual's salary confidential, not sure if any/many states make salaries confidential information.

 

[nja13]

Why else would he be doing it? Why wouldn't he want to play in the best program in the state?

Well, as I explained, because he’s going to have to spend two hours a day driving back and forth. He said he is moving to Lincoln to spend as much time as he can around the Husker program. His extended commuting time is going to cut into that. (Not to mention the risk of an inexperienced driver doing that much driving.) And I’d imagine that any Lincoln school that adds multiple four-star prospects is suddenly going to become a pretty good program.

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

Well, as I explained, because he’s going to have to spend two hours a day driving back and forth. He said he is moving to Lincoln to spend as much time as he can around the Husker program. His extended commuting time is going to cut into that. (Not to mention the risk of an inexperienced driver doing that much driving.) And I’d imagine that any Lincoln school that adds multiple four-star prospects is suddenly going to become a pretty good program.

No problem, we'll give him a faster car to speed up his commute.

 

[nja13]

No problem, we'll give him a faster car to speed up his commute.

Then we’d probably have to hold off a late push by Georgia.

 

[Dell Husker]

Instead of Millard South, we could get these guys on a local ranch in Western Nebraska playing 6 man. They will learn the Nebraska Way on the farm and win a state title at Cope in Kearney

 

[betsch]

If you are a "win at all cost" in high school, then this would be ok. I was in this boat at one time in my life. Now, having kids that play, I don't think I'd be real happy if someone from out of state or out of our district came in and took their spot on the team. And as a tax payer too, I'd prefer to support our local kids, whose parents pay for our schools with their taxes, rather than someone outside the district.

I think this will get worse with time. Right now it's just a few kids, but more and more keep trickling down from Omaha or Lincoln into the surrounding areas. More recently I've seen some from medium sized towns like Wahoo, who lost their spots due to Omaha/Lincoln, send their kids to the class C and D schools nearby. So, it isn't just a Class A problem, it will spread out from there.

 

[Alcaus]

Well, as I explained, because he’s going to have to spend two hours a day driving back and forth. He said he is moving to Lincoln to spend as much time as he can around the Husker program. His extended commuting time is going to cut into that. (Not to mention the risk of an inexperienced driver doing that much driving.) And I’d imagine that any Lincoln school that adds multiple four-star prospects is suddenly going to become a pretty good program.

We expecting him on campus after school or something? I actually can’t tell if you’re joking about the bolded.

The risk of young drivers seems legit, though. I doubt we’re investing in these kids to this extent and then cutting them loose with no oversight. Just an assumption.

 

[HashtagGBR]

If you are a "win at all cost" in high school, then this would be ok. I was in this boat at one time in my life. Now, having kids that play, I don't think I'd be real happy if someone from out of state or out of our district came in and took their spot on the team. And as a tax payer too, I'd prefer to support our local kids, whose parents pay for our schools with their taxes, rather than someone outside the district.

I think this will get worse with time. Right now it's just a few kids, but more and more keep trickling down from Omaha or Lincoln into the surrounding areas. More recently I've seen some from medium sized towns like Wahoo, who lost their spots due to Omaha/Lincoln, send their kids to the class C and D schools nearby. So, it isn't just a Class A problem, it will spread out from there.

that’s the game you play when your paying thousands of dollars for your kid to compete and they still aren’t any good.

 

[Kinish]

We expecting him on campus after school or something? I actually can’t tell if you’re joking about the bolded.

The risk of young drivers seems legit, though. I doubt we’re investing in these kids to this extent and then cutting them loose with no oversight. Just an assumption.

simple. hire one of the parents to be a driver

2 birds one stone

 

[HashtagGBR]

simple. hire one of the parents to be a driver

2 birds one stone

Don’t forget it’ll be for what? 6 months? January they’ll be college students. Give me a bag and I’ll drive them lol

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Seems like a dream job for legendary scrolller BigCL