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[Tsakoi]

A couple guys are retiring

There are a number of guys whose five year scholarship obligations is fulfilled who can get NIL to pay their way to walk on.

If there is one thing I’m sure of, it’s that the 85 is okay.



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"Five year scholarship obligation"

Who would that be?

The only thing I can come up with is Noulli and Reimer being former walk-ons going back to being walk-ons.

Other than that guys like Javin Wright being a medical retirement. Then you get into dudes like Malcom and Lynum choosing to retire but stay at the university.

 

[Toe]

Wow. That means lots of dudes we don't know about.

He mentioned a couple weeks ago that there's guys taking the 'retire from football but stay at Nebraska' scholarship option that hadn't been announced, IDK if they were ever publicly released or not.

 

[Carm]

Also the key is to look at the schools that offered him out of HS. Now they have another shot to get him but they're like "no thanks I'm good"...

I rarely disagree with you, but I do on this. This doesn't bother me.

This is a completely different decision than taking someone as a freshman. A guy like Knaak you can say, he is athletic, played OL only a year, has upside - I'll take him in the class. If he doesn't work out, we'll process him.

As a transfer? The rule changes last September make it clear the school receiving the transfer is responsible for the 4 years of eligibility in 5 year clock scholarship. The rule changes in January make it extremely difficult to get a second transfer waiver - we won't see it much. Last year you could still get a waiver for "no playing opportunity", which makes it easy to move people out.

Why would a guy like Knaak transfer a second time? First of all, because he took a redshirt year, his clock and eligibility are equal, so he in effect loses a year of eligibility if he transfers and sits out a year in residency. And why would a school give him a three year scholarship to play two years if he transfers a second time? Maybe no one takes him when he enters the portal and he has no scholarship. Or he goes to G5 or FCS, where scholarships are not guaranteed, and his isn't renewed after a year because he is injured or plays poorly?

The guy is an engineering student who wants a real degree. He wants a scholarship at a school that offers what he is studying.

Guys like him got little interest in the portal this spring because schools knew if they took him he was a counter for 4 years and he had no track record. That's exactly why Kentucky didn't take him; they thought he had potential but what if they're wrong? They will not be able to process guys like Knaak out - they know it, he knows it. The rules make the intent clear.

I wouldn't expect the same schools to be interested this time around.

I think our staff is extremely confident in their evaluations and in their ability to develop, so although they see risk, they have gotten comfortable it is an acceptable level risk. I.e., the have higher confidence there will be a favorable outcome than other schools.

 

[Carm]

"Five year scholarship obligation"

Who would that be?

The only thing I can come up with is Noulli and Reimer being former walk-ons going back to being walk-ons.

Other than that guys like Javin Wright being a medical retirement. Then you get into dudes like Malcom and Lynum choosing to retire but stay at the university.

Every guy in P5 has a scholarship that has to allow them to use 4 years of eligibility within a five year clock. That expires after they use the four years, or the 5 year clock ticks, whatever comes first.

we have a number of guys who are in the 5th year of eligibility and 6th clock year because of Covid.

this was my guess in a post last Saturday (Snodgrass probably shouldn't be here - he graduated but he has a 4th year of eligibility/5th clock year left)



A couple thoughts

1. I don't think Gunnerson could come off schollie even though he graduates - he has only been a student 3 years, and I think the minimum they can give him is four years of scholarship

2. There are several other guys who graduated previous to 2023 (info either from the roster or their transfer portal news coverage): Bleekrode, Buschini, Ortiz, Henrich, Kemp, Fleeks. They could be added to the list.

3. I understand the school is cautious about taking players who know they will get heavy PT minutes off scholarship. This is in the wake of volleyball player Keonilei Akana's transfer to Texas. Even if they are made whole with additional NIL, some players prefer that people see them as on scholarship. So if the player feels that way, and could retire or leave, the school likely won't ask them to walk-on if they are significant contributors. If, on the other hand, the school feels comfortable saying, "we won't offer you a scholarship to stay but you can walk-on", they would have no problem doing this. The guys in between those two ends of the spectrum could be difficult.

I think we were "officially" at 90 after adding NB and JB, excluding the two unofficial retirements from players who haven't graduated and are unwilling to transfer. Because we are entertaining guys at the open camp for portal guys, Jucos, and HS grads without teams, I am guessing we have at least two available schollie, which suggests at least five guys from this list are retiring or walking on (I am italicizing guys I wouldn't expect them to ask to walk-on because they are likely to be significant contributors). I think this seems to ID the likely guys fairly well.

Benhart
Farmer
Newsome
Reimer
Robinson
Snodgrass
Wright
Henrich
Bleekrode
Ortiz
Buschini
Kemp
Fleeks

 

[Tsakoi]

Every guy in P5 has a scholarship that has to allow them to use 4 years of eligibility within a five year clock. That expires after they use the four years, or the 5 year clock ticks, whatever comes first.

we have a number of guys who are in the 5th year of eligibility and 6th clock year because of Covid.

I understand the rule.

Who fits that description and is willing to forego a scholarship for NIL taking care of school tuition. The possible list of names is small.

 

[Carm]

I understand the rule.

Who fits that description and is willing to forego a scholarship for NIL taking care of school tuition. The possible list of names is small.

see above

 

[Carm]

happy for you thoughts on this as they are generally graduates - which doesn't affect the 4/5 necessarily.

There are also guys like Grant who I think could go on NIL. He hasn't graduated, but he is in his 5th year of eligibility

My list was largely based on graduates, and also had a couple of guys who might retire for medical reasons now that they have graduated

 

[Tsakoi]

happy for you thoughts on this as they are generally graduates - which doesn't affect the 4/5 necessarily.

There are also guys like Grant who I think could go on NIL. He hasn't graduated, but he is in his 5th year of eligibility

My list was largely based on graduates, and also had a couple of guys who might retire for medical reasons now that they have graduated

I think you have come up with a good list.

In general I don't understand the Ortiz, Fleeks, Kemp situation being transfers in as walk-ons when they weren't announced like that (Ortiz specifically mentioned he was scholarship in an interview).... because our other walk on transfers in were announced as such. Example: the FB guy from Wyoming.

I can't see Benhart accepting that situation. I can see Farmer just moving on since it's possible he has been passed on the depth chart. Bleekrode and Boomschini seem like a strange situation to switch from schollies to walk on.

This is gonna bother me all summer until we find out more..... LoL.

 

[Carm]

I think you have come up with a good list.

In general I don't understand the Ortiz, Fleeks, Kemp situation being transfers in as walk-ons when they weren't announced like that (Ortiz specifically mentioned he was scholarship in an interview).... because our other walk on transfers in were announced as such. Example: the FB guy from Wyoming.

I can't see Benhart accepting that situation. I can see Farmer just moving on since it's possible he has been passed on the depth chart. Bleekrode and Boomschini seem like a strange situation to switch from schollies to walk on.

This is gonna bother me all summer until we find out more..... LoL.

I think the three specialists were all grad transfers, so there is no scholarship obligation and they could just get grossed up NIL and come out even. As I recall I had to dig that out from the material out when they went in the portal. You don't actually get a scholarship until you enroll and then they are renewed every July 1 so they could have been in the spring and are not in the fall.

We will likely never have 100% certainty about who is on scholarship. Just 100% certainty as to who is on the roster.

 

[BIG TONE SOPRANO]

I lold out loud

Haha

 

[Mavsker]

Are you crying? I haven't seen you cry like this since Big Willy Will sent Martinez to the bench for good

You are

 

[nja13]

The rule changes in January make it extremely difficult to get a second transfer waiver - we won't see it much. Last year you could still get a waiver for "no playing opportunity", which makes it easy to move people out.

Does this mean likely bad news on Arik Gilbert? Or was he grandfathered in to the old rules?

 

[slattimer]

The dude is 6'7 300 lbs, and moves well, looks aggressive, and seems pretty athletic from his HS highlight tape. Take a flier on a guy like that. If you can develop him, great, you've got a multiyear starter. Our OL numbers are pretty janky right now, especially at tackle. I don't think there's a shot in hell Hood ever plays.

 

[Carm]

Does this mean likely bad news on Arik Gilbert? Or was he grandfathered in to the old rules?

not grandfatheredd - applies for an eligibility beginning this fall

he might well fit one of the last couple of exceptions - it depends on the details of his situation. He need medical diagnoses, a treatment plan for his condition, and evidence he could get what he needed in Lincoln but not Athens.

The details on the permitted waivers start in page ten. The mental health one starts on page 12.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d1/clr/D1CLR_Guidelines.pdf

 

[Frogsker30]

Does this mean likely bad news on Arik Gilbert? Or was he grandfathered in to the old rules?

He's not grandfathered but there is a great chance his waiver will get approved. Georgia is advocating for it to be approved.

 

[HerbRedman]

I rarely disagree with you, but I do on this. This doesn't bother me.

This is a completely different decision than taking someone as a freshman. A guy like Knaak you can say, he is athletic, played OL only a year, has upside - I'll take him in the class. If he doesn't work out, we'll process him.

As a transfer? The rule changes last September make it clear the school receiving the transfer is responsible for the 4 years of eligibility in 5 year clock scholarship. The rule changes in January make it extremely difficult to get a second transfer waiver - we won't see it much. Last year you could still get a waiver for "no playing opportunity", which makes it easy to move people out.

Why would a guy like Knaak transfer a second time? First of all, because he took a redshirt year, his clock and eligibility are equal, so he in effect loses a year of eligibility if he transfers and sits out a year in residency. And why would a school give him a three year scholarship to play two years if he transfers a second time? Maybe no one takes him when he enters the portal and he has no scholarship. Or he goes to G5 or FCS, where scholarships are not guaranteed, and his isn't renewed after a year because he is injured or plays poorly?

The guy is an engineering student who wants a real degree. He wants a scholarship at a school that offers what he is studying.

Guys like him got little interest in the portal this spring because schools knew if they took him he was a counter for 4 years and he had no track record. That's exactly why Kentucky didn't take him; they thought he had potential but what if they're wrong? They will not be able to process guys like Knaak out - they know it, he knows it. The rules make the intent clear.

I wouldn't expect the same schools to be interested this time around.

I think our staff is extremely confident in their evaluations and in their ability to develop, so although they see risk, they have gotten comfortable it is an acceptable level risk. I.e., the have higher confidence there will be a favorable outcome than other schools.

Oh I agree with you. I was just pointing out the definite disparity between the quality of schools offering him out of HS vs the quality offering him now (App St, etc).

I'm very PRO this signing/commitment. Absolutely a needed get. Great points explaining why he's different than the usual portal addition.

 

[Carm]

He's not grandfathered but there is a great chance his waiver will get approved. Georgia is advocating for it to be approved.

Say, @Frogsker30 would love your compliance expert opinion.

247 and Rivals show Nouili entering his last year of eligibility. On3 shows him as a junior in eligibility this fall. The On3 explanation is that he hasn't redshirted and could use a redshirt to cover the year he couldn't play because of the substance violation.

I don't see how that argument holds water. The penalty for a substance violation is loss of a year of eligibility. That should mean that from both a four year period and a 5 year clock period, it is the same as if you played (except that you couldn't play, of course). This would be the reason 247 and Rivals say he is a senior. Your thoughts?

 

[Frogsker30]

Say, @Frogsker30 would love your compliance expert opinion.

247 and Rivals show Nouili entering his last year of eligibility. Tater Island shows him as a junior in eligibility this fall. The Tater Island explanation is that he hasn't redshirted and could use a redshirt to cover the year he couldn't play because of the substance violation.

I don't see how that argument holds water. The penalty for a substance violation is loss of a year of eligibility. That should mean that from both a four year period and a 5 year clock period, it is the same as if you played (except that you couldn't play, of course). This would be the reason 247 and Rivals say he is a senior. Your thoughts?

He is listed as a senior on the official nebraksa website. He did have a covid year so I think that's where dean is getting at with redshirting. However, you cannot use a redshirt year during a year you are ineligible so that is where 247 and rivals get their classification from.

2019: 8 games @ CSU Freshman
2020: Covid Sophomore
2021: Played Every Game Sophomore
2022: Suspended Junior
2023: This year Senior

 

[Frogsker30]

So he could RS this year but that's it

 

[Carm]

So he could RS this year but that's it

and, of course, you would never do that barring injury in the first four games of the season