Thoughts on coaching in the new era of CFB

[Husker1]

While we all sit around waiting for information about the coaching search and the portal, I thought I’d start a thread about what successful team building looks like in the new era of CFB.

It seems like we are fast approaching a time where a head coach’s clout, salesmanship, and social capital are more important to success than actual coaching or organizational acumen. We are seeing big-personality first time head coaches with very little experience find immediate success and long-time “ball coach” head coaches finding failure (and taking more coordinator jobs to just focus on the football part).

Makes me wonder about our future with Matt Rhule. He seems to toe the line fairly well between salesman and coach which I think bodes well for the future. Society seems to have shifted to valuing “vibes” over competence, and successful head coaches seem to have their fingers on the pulse of this sensibility with young players. I wonder if we will continue to see the trend of head coaches being more oriented towards being a personality that resonates with young players and their desire to chase clout and “build their brand”. Or if we will see a shift back at some point.

Just wanted to get some thoughts out there and see if anyone else has any.

 

[Cash68847]

While we all sit around waiting for information about the coaching search and the portal, I thought I’d start a thread about what successful team building looks like in the new era of CFB.

It seems like we are fast approaching a time where a head coach’s clout, salesmanship, and social capital are more important to success than actual coaching or organizational acumen. We are seeing big-personality first time head coaches with very little experience find immediate success and long-time “ball coach” head coaches finding failure (and taking more coordinator jobs to just focus on the football part).

Makes me wonder about our future with Matt Rhule. He seems to toe the line fairly well between salesman and coach which I think bodes well for the future. Society seems to have shifted to valuing “vibes” over competence, and successful head coaches seem to have their fingers on the pulse of this sensibility with young players. I wonder if we will continue to see the trend of head coaches being more oriented towards being a personality that resonates with young players and their desire to chase clout and “build their brand”. Or if we will see a shift back at some point.

Just wanted to get some thoughts out there and see if anyone else has any.

I think it’s also safer for head coaches job security wise today. The boosters are spending so much on rosters they will probably keep a coach a couple years longer than they normally would if the coach isn’t up to par especially with the large buyouts.

 

[Stenge85]

I try not to be Old Man Yells at Cloud guy, generally I think football is football

But it does suck not getting to know players over 3-5 years, it lessens the impact of when they do make plays and develop. Banks and Neyor felt truly like “rentals”, and we all cheered for them, but their plays did not feel the same as Ty or Nash’s.

The only player who I think has defied this so far is Trey Palmer. He feels like a lifetime sker rather than a rental. Making Cockeye his bitch helped

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I'm more interested in when we see the correction. It's untenable to keep coaches on deals that are prohibitively expensive to buyout and paying coordinators a few million each and hoping the head guy will delegate appropriate feels like it'll start blowing up spectacularly.

I think professional sports, which is what this is, is still probably one of the more meritocratic aspects of society because you can't fake your way to wins.

I'm not sure that the distribution of coaches as far as personality/ CEO type vs. x's and o's has changed all that much. There are lots of models to get where you want to go. I think unless you've got very serious NIL though you'll have a much harder time as a HC bullshitting kids and relying on transferring being a pain in the ass so maybe that will be different

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I try not to be Old Man Yells at Cloud guy, generally I think football is football

But it does suck not getting to know players over 3-5 years, it lessens the impact of when they do make plays and develop. Banks and Neyor felt truly like “rentals”, and we all cheered for them, but their plays did not feel the same as Ty or Nash’s.

The only player who I think has defied this so far is Trey Palmer. He feels like a lifetime sker rather than a rental. Making Cockeye his bitch helped

Yeah that part of it bums me out. Hell even the core of most pro teams won't turn over as much as college teams nowadays which is both dumb and stupid

 

[Cash68847]

Yeah that part of it bums me out. Hell even the core of most pro teams won't turn over as much as college teams nowadays which is both dumb and stupid

I didn’t even know signing day was this week and didn’t even follow any of the recruits. In two years more than half of them will be gone anyways. I’m more interested in the portal.

 

[Irv]

I'm more interested in when we see the correction. It's untenable to keep coaches on deals that are prohibitively expensive to buyout and paying coordinators a few million each and hoping the head guy will delegate appropriate feels like it'll start blowing up spectacularly.

I think professional sports, which is what this is, is still probably one of the more meritocratic aspects of society because you can't fake your way to wins.

I'm not sure that the distribution of coaches as far as personality/ CEO type vs. x's and o's has changed all that much. There are lots of models to get where you want to go. I think unless you've got very serious NIL though you'll have a much harder time as a HC bullshitting kids and relying on transferring being a pain in the ass so maybe that will be different

There’s a pretty good podcast called Who killed College Football and it has an episode on coach salaries. The guaranteed contract is a fairly new phenomenon- I think it was Tuberville who got the first contract with a huge buyout because his agent leveraged all of the Petrino shenanigans.

A system that brought in huge amounts of money but wouldn’t allow one dime to be spent on talent was extremely good for coaches.

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

I didn’t even know singing day was this week and didn’t even follow any of the recruits. In two years more than half of them will be gone anyways. I’m more interested in the portal.

Singing day, and none of our recruits even sang. 😢

 

[Juro]

Look, we need some continuity with coaches. Matt Rhule looks like he is adjusting as CFB throws new curveballs every year.

I just want a coach who can manage the team and program in a CEO type of style instead of the SF method of ‘they’ll adjust to us.’

 

[Cash68847]

Singing day, and none of our recruits even sang. 😢

You got me. It use to be the most overhyped day of the year for college football. Now most people don’t even care about it. Bring on the portal.

 

[Mood4NU]

You got me. It use to be the most overhyped day of the year for college football. Now most people don’t even care about it. Bring on the portal.

Yep signing day is dang near meaningless. Half those guys won’t be here in 2 years