The truth about Richie Incognito's time in Miami finally comes out

[skerfan]

Well he wasn’t an 1990s era guy so…

Locker room culture and normal society culture are two different things.

 

[skerfan]

💯

It sucks getting old. I cant read what that even is. Time to raise the white flag and get some readers.

 

[Black Dean]

It sucks getting old. I cant read what that even is. Time to raise the white flag and get some readers.

I’ve had glasses since I was 25 when I couldn’t read street signs anymore

 

[Herbie]

Him and Dom are both probably top 5 for the meanest/boggest assholes in the nfl for oline this century.

Hope we can get more of them. Fuck always bringing back the peters bros talk to the team (they probably haven’t in a few years I’m guessing).
But let these two shit bags come back and talk to the team, specifically oline

 

[slattimer]

I'm sure many of you know about my stories with Richie, but he was basically an old-school dude in an era that was shifting from that being acceptable. You think back to when our 90s players that were like Richie would try to make guys quit for not going hard, urinate through their locker on their shoes if they weren't wearing the proper Adidas gear, that happens now and a coach is probably fired. Think of some of the stories about the Peter brothers on old O street in the offseason and after games, if Richie was a decade earlier he's probably fine. He wasn't and honestly he had trouble figuring out when he was getting to the line, so he just went way past it.

While throwing the N-bomb at someone is never ok, I always go back to the story to illustrate what I talk about with him. Go watch the leaked video where him and Pouncey are playing pool in a Miami bar and he's using that word in front of him (not at him) and nothing comes of it. For a guy like Richie, it's very much a "I use that word all the time with a guy way better than you" mentality on why he thinks he could use it with a guy like Martin.

Not defending the guy, I just find it fascinating that if he were a 90s Osborne guy for us he may have been one of those we were glad he is back around helping coach like Jason Peter was with Frost, despite all of the stuff we know about him.

The things said at the collegiate football level is a whole different animal. Doesn't make it okay. I only played at the NAIA level, but the things said in practice and at games....blew my mind sometimes. We had a couple of guys that were way too good to be playing at our level, and those dudes were probably the most egregious with the shit that came out of their mouths. I'd imagine it gets even crazier as you go up in levels. It's the nature of the beast. Dudes at that level are different...in a wide variety of ways. Again, not condoning it...but if you played in college, you know what I'm talking about.

 

[Scott Hall]

I’ve had glasses since I was 25 when I couldn’t read street signs anymore

I can read street signs after it’s too late. Went to get glasses, which was in 2020. Think my breathing while wearing a mask messed up the machine because my glasses make me see worse. Passed my vision test last renewal without glasses and now I’m good until 2029.

Regarding the thread topic. Played ball with a white guy who called every black player the n word constantly. White guys hearing him talk like that for the first time that would do a double take like woah did he really just say that. Never knew of a black guy who cared even a little bit about it.

 

[Blakejc]

The things said at the collegiate football level is a whole different animal. Doesn't make it okay. I only played at the NAIA level, but the things said in practice and at games....blew my mind sometimes. We had a couple of guys that were way too good to be playing at our level, and those dudes were probably the most egregious with the shit that came out of their mouths. I'd imagine it gets even crazier as you go up in levels. It's the nature of the beast. Dudes at that level are different...in a wide variety of ways. Again, not condoning it...but if you played in college, you know what I'm talking about.

Thats cool if guys say stuff they wouldn’t otherwise say and assume some sort of alter ego on the field, in the locker room, in the weight room, etc. But it doesn’t excuse treating someone as subhuman. That’s still the line. No situation ever gives you the right to dehumanize another person. And it sounds like Richie did that on numerous occasions. It’s a shame that just because he played for Nebraska you get people defending his behavior that’s clearly been wrong.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Well he wasn’t an 1990s era guy so…

Thus why I said "if he was a decade earlier". I didn't say "if he was a 1980s guy".

 

[Quint]

Thats cool if guys say stuff they wouldn’t otherwise say and assume some sort of alter ego on the field, in the locker room, in the weight room, etc. But it doesn’t excuse treating someone as subhuman. That’s still the line. No situation ever gives you the right to dehumanize another person. And it sounds like Richie did that on numerous occasions. It’s a shame that just because he played for Nebraska you get people defending his behavior that’s clearly been wrong.

I haven’t read every post, but most of what I’ve read is more along the lines of ‘He’s a dick, but he’s a dick like_________’.

I don’t take that as defending his behavior, just table setting.

I’d said it in another post, but it kind of bears repeating. How we judge people, and in this case athletes, is constantly changing with societal norms. How specifically male athletes interact with each other is something completely different than how much of the rest of society does. If his treatment of Martin was ‘subhuman’, than ‘subhuman’ was how a lot of us interacted going back to high school football. Even some of my high school coaches would say some extremely degrading things to any and all of us, because that was how it worked.

Times certainly do change, and I’d have to agree that being largely eliminated from the equation is a betterment.

 

[cwessel76]

Thus why I said "if he was a decade earlier". I didn't say "if he was a 1980s guy".

I hear you, but it was wrong then and it’s been wrong since oh I don’t know the 1700s.

Incognito was/is a guy with severe mental issues and even putting this specific issue aside we would be calling him out like 99.9% of the overall fandom.

 

[Poor_and_Stupid]

Some folks don't treat the N-word like Voldemort or Beetlejuice and think of it more of an insult like mother fucker. The hysteria some folks assign to the word is crazy.

Context is important. My college dorm roommates were all black and they gave me the sacred N-word Pass.

Richie doesn’t seem like the type who would ask for approval before saying it, but you never know.

 

[doublewing]

I hear you, but it was wrong then and it’s been wrong since oh I don’t know the 1700s.

Incognito was/is a guy with severe mental issues and even putting this specific issue aside we would be calling him out like 99.9% of the overall fandom.

We've had OL tougher and much better players than Richie. Richie just made a name for himself by his on and off the field antics. I knew a few OL from that era and can attest to the fact that the team didn't miss him when he left. He was all about Richie and not a team player.

A long time message board pet peeve I have is when someone says "he was an asshole but I wish we had a few Incognitos right now." Why not ask for a few Dave Rimmingtons, Will Shields, or Aaron Taylors? It's like dudes have to lean in to Richie's bad boy image.

 

[cwessel76]

Locker room culture and normal society culture are two different things.

It’s not ok in any setting.

Calling a guy a fucking asshole - sure.

Calling a guy a ****** - nope.

 

[TooTall]

Ritchie was a total mental case even at UNL, totally lucky to have remained in school and make the NFL.

He physically intimidated and verbally abused professors at UNL.
I the bullying was or was not real, the only reason the story worked was because it 100% fit his behavior.

 

[Quint]

Context is important. My college dorm roommates were all black and they gave me the sacred N-word Pass.

Richie doesn’t seem like the type who would ask for approval before saying it, but you never know.

I’ve always hated the word. I think it’s ugly, regardless of who’s mouth it comes out of.

Having said that, there was and to a lessor extent still is shit that comes out of my mouth that will make people cringe.

I guess everyone has different hot buttons.

 

[Jim14510]

The things said at the collegiate football level is a whole different animal. Doesn't make it okay. I only played at the NAIA level, but the things said in practice and at games....blew my mind sometimes. We had a couple of guys that were way too good to be playing at our level, and those dudes were probably the most egregious with the shit that came out of their mouths. I'd imagine it gets even crazier as you go up in levels. It's the nature of the beast. Dudes at that level are different...in a wide variety of ways. Again, not condoning it...but if you played in college, you know what I'm talking about.

There was a d lineman at Wesleyan when I was there. He was a great guy off the field. Never once saw him mad. Buddies that played though said he was in a fight with an o lineman virtually every day. Own team or other team game days. Something just snapped when he was on the field.

 

[Southendzonehusker]

I find it odd that a bunch of white men (I’m assuming most but not all are here) get to dictate how any minority can feel about being called racist slurs.

I’m not telling any minority how they shouldn’t or should feel about something like that. I just think it’s odd for someone to say they feel so disrespected and do nothing about it immediately.

 

[cwessel76]

I’m not telling any minority how they shouldn’t or should feel about something like that. I just think it’s odd for someone to say they feel so disrespected and do nothing about it immediately.

The timing sure is odd - I’ll give you that.

 

[alt f4]

The things said at the collegiate football level is a whole different animal. Doesn't make it okay. I only played at the NAIA level, but the things said in practice and at games....blew my mind sometimes. We had a couple of guys that were way too good to be playing at our level, and those dudes were probably the most egregious with the shit that came out of their mouths. I'd imagine it gets even crazier as you go up in levels. It's the nature of the beast. Dudes at that level are different...in a wide variety of ways. Again, not condoning it...but if you played in college, you know what I'm talking about.

Absolutely this right here it's so common and accepted in football.

Played at NWMSU even during Coach T's days that culture was there, especially among the guys from St. Louis, KC, Texas. My nickname in our WR group was Chewy, shortened from Chewbacca, because no one could say my last name. I was often referred to, introduced, or called upon in meetings as "My Nig Chewy". All of us white boys were called My Nig by our position group. It was portrayed as a term of endearment and acceptance. I just called Nick, Nick. Not My Nig Nick.

Fast forward to today, it's mind blowing coaching and officiating how prevalent it is in the football culture. I've heard it coaching as young as 2nd/3rd graders. It's bad on high school teams like NE, High, Omaha Central, Omaha NW, Benson. 7v7 is especially bad. GPAC teams were fairly clean. Did few JUCO games, that was eye opening to the culture. Worst NAIA was our semifinal of Southern Oregon vs Reinhardt.

DB and WR groups at Nebraska was every 5th word at practice.

Add pre-game or practice music, it becomes so common that it's accepted.

 

[BingoDingo]