sounds like we'll see grandfathering after all

[Carm]

 

[nja13]

What a mess.

I wrote this Re: taking Charmar Brown:

This, and the fact that Rhule is very concious of fact that anyone he adds to the roster means one more guy he has to cut from the current team, which we know he is already not excited about doing.

I wonder if this development would make Rhule more open to taking Brown if he wants to come?

 

[Havoc34]

What a mess.

I wrote this Re: taking Charmar Brown:

I wonder if this development would make Rhule more open to taking Brown if he wants to come?

I think that situation has more to do with RB room dynamics than the roster limit. But I could be wrong

 

[Carm]

What a mess.

I wrote this Re: taking Charmar Brown:

I wonder if this development would make Rhule more open to taking Brown if he wants to come?

what would he pay him with? I am assuming to football portion of the rev share is already essentially committed; certainly the RB piece is committed. Miami and Cal won't have that problem.

 

[nja13]

I think that situation has more to do with RB room dynamics than the roster limit. But I could be wrong

Agree. But not having to cut another guy to make room for Brown could help dynamics.

 

[Carm]

Agree. But not having to cut another guy to make room for Brown could help dynamics.

again - don't forget there is a salary cap. It was part of a settlement. The settlement has gone through review and hearings, including hearings that let people not party to the suit offer testimony about its shortcomings.

The cap can't simply be overcome with NIL - there is a mechanism the parties agreed upon as part of the settlement where there is a business purpose test and an arm's length standard. Disputes about the outcome of this process go to an independent arbitrator, not a court.

It may well be at some point this will get overturned by a court, but it is likely to be given some deference because it is a settlement between the parties reviewed by a federal court, it is not a court-imposed outcome. Other parties were welcome to give input to the court.

The salary cap is a real thing. Nebraska has apparently allocated $15M to football, which is likely to be entirely split between a little over half the players. The team has already figured out how to split it and told players what they will be getting.

Cal and Miami have recent RB attrition which likely freed up funds.

BTW the NCAA is having the conferences create their own rules about what the punishment for the school, the player, etc., will be iffv the provisions of the settlement are not adhered to.

 

[Bulldog10]

again - don't forget there is a salary cap. It was part of a settlement. The settlement has gone through review and hearings, including hearings that let people not party to the suit offer testimony about its shortcomings.

The cap can't simply be overcome with NIL - there is a mechanism the parties agreed upon as part of the settlement where there is a business purpose test and an arm's length standard. Disputes about the outcome of this process go to an independent arbitrator, not a court.

It may well be at some point this will get overturned by a court, but it is likely to be given some deference because it is a settlement between the parties reviewed by a federal court, it is not a court-imposed outcome. Other parties were welcome to give input to the court.

The salary cap is a real thing. Nebraska has apparently allocated $15M to football, which is likely to be entirely split between a little over half the players. The team has already figured out how to split it and told players what they will be getting.

Cal and Miami have recent RB attrition which likely freed up funds.

BTW the NCAA is having the conferences create their own rules about what the punishment for the school, the player, etc., will be iffv the provisions of the settlement are not adhered to.

We’ve all heard you, we just don’t have as much faith as you that it will all go down like this.

 

[Cornicator]

what would he pay him with? I am assuming to football portion of the rev share is already essentially committed; certainly the RB piece is committed. Miami and Cal won't have that problem.

I can assure you Nebraska could match any amount offered by other programs. There is a bigger problem though:

1. It would be a bigger amount than anyone in the room is earning.
2. Is it fiscally responsible? I can tell you Nebraska is trying to be stewards within the NIL market. They are upholding a strong belief that teams overpaying will really struggle in years to come. I don't blame Nebraska at all for holding serve.

 

[Stan Raymond]

again - don't forget there is a salary cap. It was part of a settlement. The settlement has gone through review and hearings, including hearings that let people not party to the suit offer testimony about its shortcomings.

The cap can't simply be overcome with NIL - there is a mechanism the parties agreed upon as part of the settlement where there is a business purpose test and an arm's length standard. Disputes about the outcome of this process go to an independent arbitrator, not a court.

It may well be at some point this will get overturned by a court, but it is likely to be given some deference because it is a settlement between the parties reviewed by a federal court, it is not a court-imposed outcome. Other parties were welcome to give input to the court.

The salary cap is a real thing. Nebraska has apparently allocated $15M to football, which is likely to be entirely split between a little over half the players. The team has already figured out how to split it and told players what they will be getting.

Cal and Miami have recent RB attrition which likely freed up funds.

BTW the NCAA is having the conferences create their own rules about what the punishment for the school, the player, etc., will be iffv the provisions of the settlement are not adhered to.

So 15 for football, then what 3 for Men's Basketball, 1 for Volleyball, 1 for Women's Basketball? Wonder how the other programs will do it. Some interesting times.

 

[Carm]

We’ve all heard you, we just don’t have as much faith as you that it will all go down like this.

Yeah, I realize that. But my view isn't based on faith. This appears to be a well-crafted settlement agreement that is likely stand for a while. It's not that easy to overturn a settlement between the parties that has been crafted with care. At some point, though, something will replace it.

It would be interesting to know how much the legals fees were in total for all the lawyers involved in working this out.

 

[Bulldog10]

Yeah, I realize that. But my view isn't based on faith. This appears to be a well-crafted settlement agreement that is likely stand for a while. It's not that easy to overturn a settlement between the parties that has been crafted with care. At some point, though, something will replace it.

I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m not calling you a liar & you’re more educated on the subject than me but it’s hard for me to believe college sports will get something right. I’m supposed to believe after 4 years of athletes making millions that they’re going to be cool with making $145,000 (if they’d split the 15 mil evenly between 105, which I assume they won’t?) Like wouldn’t this cause Raoila to take a massive pay cut next year? Even if he gets a mil from the university, with the “new NIL” his total pay would probably go down?

 

[Stan Raymond]

Yeah, I realize that. But my view isn't based on faith. This appears to be a well-crafted settlement agreement that is likely stand for a while. It's not that easy to overturn a settlement between the parties that has been crafted with care. At some point, though, something will replace it.

It would be interesting to know how much the legals fees were in total for all the lawyers involved in working this out.

I agree, I think it might bring some stability for 10 years, then things will drastically change again.

 

[Carm]

I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m not calling you a liar & you’re more educated on the subject than me but it’s hard for me to believe college sports will get something right. I’m supposed to believe after 4 years of athletes making millions that they’re going to be cool with making $145,000 (if they’d split the 15 mil evenly between 105, which I assume they won’t?) Like wouldn’t this cause Raoila to take a massive pay cut next year? Even if he gets a mil from the university, with the “new NIL” his total pay would probably go down?

Raiola has real NIL. Addidas is in the business of using athletes to promote their products. His is 100% safe. They have a process for determining who they want to sign and what they will pay. Also they won’t come close to giving rev shares to the entire roster.

 

[Stan Raymond]

Raiola has real NIL. Addidas is in the business of using athletes to promote their products. His is 100% safe. They have a process for determining who they want to sign and what they will pay. Also they won’t come close to giving rev shares to the entire roster.

So the old differentiation of the roster was scholarship and walk on, but now it will be those getting paid revenue share and those not, but all will be on scholarship.

 

[Bulldog10]

Raiola has real NIL. Addidas is in the business of using athletes to promote their products. His is 100% safe. They have a process for determining who they want to sign and what they will pay. Also they won’t come close to giving rev shares to the entire roster.

Pretty sure I’ve read on here Adidas only pays half of his 2.5 mil but I guess the university could probably come close to replacing the 1.25 mil he’d lose from the collective. But then your paying one player 1/15 of you teams “salary cap”.

 

[alt f4]

So 15 for football, then what 3 for Men's Basketball, 1 for Volleyball, 1 for Women's Basketball? Wonder how the other programs will do it. Some interesting times.

That's close to what someone from 1980 told me. He was working with $14-15 mil for football, $3 mil for men's basketball, $2-3 mil for volleyball and leftover for women's basketball, baseball, and softball. Women will get theirs from NIL. Volleyball and Jordy Bahl are going to kill the NIL deals.

Secondary sports like sotball, baseball, wrestling all have their own little niche booster group for NIL.

 

[alt f4]

I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m not calling you a liar & you’re more educated on the subject than me but it’s hard for me to believe college sports will get something right. I’m supposed to believe after 4 years of athletes making millions that they’re going to be cool with making $145,000 (if they’d split the 15 mil evenly between 105, which I assume they won’t?) Like wouldn’t this cause Raoila to take a massive pay cut next year? Even if he gets a mil from the university, with the “new NIL” his total pay would probably go down?

Yes, it's going to be that way July 1st.

Dylan has a massive Adidas deal and most of his NIL has been paid out already.

Football is going to have $14-15 mil for around 50-55 players for revenue sharing.

Any NIL deal over $600 will have to go through a clearinghouse.

Current NIL deals unpaid by June 30th will have to go through clearinghouse.

Clearinghouse will have final say if it's fair market value for the deal. There must be some sort return for the money, meaning marketing for a business. Gone are the days of handing over stacks of cash. NIL is going to how it was intended.

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

Yes, it's going to be that way July 1st.

Dylan has a massive Adidas deal and most of his NIL has been paid out already.

Football is going to have $14-15 mil for around 50-55 players for revenue sharing.

Any NIL deal over $600 will have to go through a clearinghouse.

Current NIL deals unpaid by June 30th will have to go through clearinghouse.

Clearinghouse will have final say if it's fair market value for the deal. There must be some sort return for the money, meaning marketing for a business. Gone are the days of handing over stacks of cash. NIL is going to how it was intended.

Gonna go out on a limb and say the stacks of cash will likely continue, just back in paper bags or cleverly laundered.

Until this whole thing gets collectively bargained or whatever and they go fully to the pro model that we're inching towards in herky jerky steps.

 

[Carm]

Gonna go out on a limb and say the stacks of cash will likely continue, just back in paper bags or cleverly laundered.

Until this whole thing gets collectively bargained or whatever and they go fully to the pro model that we're inching towards in herky jerky steps.

A settlement between schools and players is in many respects similar to a CBA. It isn't something the court imposed. The parties to the lawsuit proposed and agreed to the settlement features.

 

[Carm]

Yes, it's going to be that way July 1st.

Dylan has a massive Adidas deal and most of his NIL has been paid out already.

Football is going to have $14-15 mil for around 50-55 players for revenue sharing.

Any NIL deal over $600 will have to go through a clearinghouse.

Current NIL deals unpaid by June 30th will have to go through clearinghouse.

Clearinghouse will have final say if it's fair market value for the deal. There must be some sort return for the money, meaning marketing for a business. Gone are the days of handing over stacks of cash. NIL is going to how it was intended.

I understand 1890 has already shifted over to the new NIL model - seeking "real" NIL opportunities rather than donations for distriubution.