Offense+Defense vs. P4 (thru October 25th)

[Blakejc]

Drop off due to TW leaving or losing Ty and Nash?

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

 

[Flabio]

Yes

Which is confusing as to why @ShortSideOption is saying the drop off is a TW vs Butler thing. Shrug

 

[Flabio]

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

We didn’t replace Ty, Nash and Butler’s production. William’s was able to eat on 3rd and long with Ty and Nash drawing all the attention imo.

 

[Blakejc]

We didn’t replace Ty, Nash and Butler’s production. William’s was able to eat on 3rd and long with Ty and Nash drawing all the attention imo.

Agreed, we’ve done nothing to replace their production. And I feel like Shavers should have about 4 sacks this year if he was being utilized the way Butler said he would be. Something ain’t right there. Same with McColllough. Feels like that dude should have 6 sacks by now. He’s beating his man or rushing free but he’s just not getting home. Maybe that changes these last 4 games?

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

It's kind of incredible how good the pass D has been for how bad they've been at pressuring the QB

 

[Chi7397]

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

James Williams is and was fucking awful and I think his 10 tackles and zero sacks this year help demonstrate that

 

[Irv]

Two excellent hires by Rhule with Ekeler and Holgo IMO, I would love to see where we would be in 2025 if we had those caliber of hires from the beginning.

I really don’t understand how we’re calling Holgorsen an excellent hire at this point.

He’s marginally better than Satterfield, but there are a ton of guys that clear that bar.

I think the alleged quality of his hire is down to name recognition.

OC is a position we could pretty clearly upgrade at.

 

[Blakejc]

James Williams is and was fucking awful and I think his 10 tackles and zero sacks this year help demonstrate that

Haha, yet his performance last year in ~100 snaps is outperforming any of our current starters who will end up with 4x as many snaps. So what’s that say?

 

[SlumpBuster]

Drop off due to TW leaving or losing Ty and Nash?

It's never one thing but my opinion is the latter over the former.

Nothing can make a DC look better than good DTs. Gives you SO many options for how to call a defense

 

[SlumpBuster]

I really don’t understand how we’re calling Holgorsen an excellent hire at this point.

He’s marginally better than Satterfield, but there are a ton of guys that clear that bar.

I think the alleged quality of his hire is down to name recognition.

OC is a position we could pretty clearly upgrade at.

Holgerson has too much history of knowing what he's doing. I would assume something else is the problem before Holgerson

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Haha, yet his performance last year in ~100 snaps is outperforming any of our current starters who will end up with 4x as many snaps. So what’s that say?