Game Thread Nebraska @ Minnesota (Friday, October 17, 7:00pm - FOX)

[PonyBoy]

OL sucks + QB with no pocket presence

 

[nscottie]

If he went to the hospital for a broken hand it had to be a multiple compound break. 💩

That’s what I thought too.

 

[Blbmeb]

Dana says in the presser that he “runs what is working” so we run it all the way to inside the 20 with EJ and then it’s three fricking passes in a row! And if I see one more stupid fade route to the corner I’m going to throw a brick through my TV.

 

[Sous Chef]

Dana says in the presser that he “runs what is working” so we run it all the way to inside the 20 with EJ and then it’s three fricking passes in a row! And if I see one more stupid fade route to the corner I’m going to throw a brick through my TV.

Agreed. Even though the fade has been a good call a number of times from an X's and O's stand point we don't have a QB that can throw the fade pass accurately longer than 10-15 yards.

 

[macmoolah]

OL sucks + QB with no pocket presence

The edge rushers are getting so fucking far upfield. Dylan has to move up in the pocket instead of continuing to drop back on that play.

The OL is getting whipped , no question. But good lord, the pocket movement is terrible on some of these plays.

 

[ChocaEgg]

OL sucks + QB with no pocket presence

@biscuitgaze01 , @Dr.DrakeRamoray , other assorted taters, no room to step up there?

 

[V-Doub]

Dana deserves as much blame as anyone. At this point you know the strengths and weaknesses of your offense. Play to them. He seemed to be ramming a square peg into a round hole all game.

We seemed incapable of throwing timing routes… slants, screens, quick outs. We couldn’t run the ball, so your only other option is quick timing routes on the perimeter to slow down the pass rush. But every damn pass play Dylan holds the ball, seemingly trying to go downfield.

IDK if we were calling those type of plays, I need to rewatch. (unlikely that I can stomach that) Maybe guys weren’t getting open on timing routes, but it looked more like we weren’t calling those type of plays enough.

 

[Scarlet ObsessioN]

OL sucks + QB with no pocket presence

It bothers the shit out of me that in Rhules presser he called out the rbs for two of the sacks and didn’t say shit about the OL or Raiola. Really makes me question what the hell hes looking at and who he’s placing blame on.

 

[V-Doub]

OL sucks + QB with no pocket presence

It’s even worse than that. They rushed 2 down linemen and BOTH of them got to the QB 😳 HOW IN THE FUCK CAN 5 OFFENSIVE LINEMEN NOT BLOCK 2 FUCKING RUSHERS!?!?

 

[dom91932]

We seemed incapable of throwing timing routes… slants, screens, quick outs. We couldn’t run the ball, so your only other option is quick timing routes on the perimeter to slow down the pass rush. But every damn pass play Dylan holds the ball, seemingly trying to go downfield.

IDK if we were calling those type of plays, I need to rewatch. (unlikely that I can stomach that) Maybe guys weren’t getting open on timing routes, but it looked more like we weren’t calling those type of plays enough.

Incapable or unwilling.

We have two speeds on offense: slow and slower. Everything on offense is slow: the play is slow coming in, they are slow getting organized before the snap, the plays are nearly always slow developing, the qb is slow figuring out where to go with the ball (especially against man coverage), and ffs step up in the pocket-give yourself a chance.

 

[V-Doub]

Incapable or unwilling.

We have two speeds on offense: slow and slower. Everything on offense is slow: the play is slow coming in, they are slow getting organized before the snap, the plays are nearly always slow developing, the qb is slow figuring out where to go with the ball (especially against man coverage), and ffs step up in the pocket-give yourself a chance.

Additionally when he steps up in the pocket he doesn’t throw the ball. How many times have we seen DR step up into the pocket, then hold the ball and get sacked from behind. DERP! The reason you stepped up into the pocket is because the edges were breaking down. Those guys don’t go away once you step up in the pocket, they’re gonna be on your ass stat. Throw the fucking ball.

 

[Mavsker]

Obviously most of the blame for last night rests on the shoulders of the offense. 213 yards and 6 points is just an absolute trainwreck.

But I can't get over how much of a back breaker Minnesota's 11 minute, 98 yard drive was. Prior to that drive we were right in the game. Only down 1, had them pinned on the two yard line. 50/50 game at worst. After that drive, we're down 8 with basically one quarter left and absolutely no momentum. Just a meatgrinder of a drive.

 

[dom91932]

Obviously most of the blame for last night rests on the shoulders of the offense. 213 yards and 6 points is just an absolute trainwreck.

But I can't get over how much of a back breaker Minnesota's 11 minute, 98 yard drive was. Prior to that drive we were right in the game. Only down 1, had them pinned on the two yard line. 50/50 game at worst. After that drive, we're down 8 with basically one quarter left and absolutely no momentum. Just a meatgrinder of a drive.

It's even worse that it came on their first possession of the second half. Doesn't speak well for coaches or players. Totally dominated by BIG football 101.

 

[doublewing]

I don’t see many air raid concepts being run here.

He does not run the facets of air raid that Mike Leach used to tear up defenses with. That was a lot more short and intermediate routes and timing patterns where you hit the guy in space and the QB gets rid of the ball quickly.

We could use more of that and less of what they've been running lately. We can't run anything that takes time to develop as the OL cannot hold their blocks.

 

[biscuitgaze01]

@biscuitgaze01 , @Dr.DrakeRamoray , other assorted taters, no room to step up there?

He hits his back foot of his drop and both tackles immediately lose. Save me the criticism on this one.

 

[biscuitgaze01]

OL sucks + QB with no pocket presence

How are we going to suggest the QB “has no pocket presence” when almost all of our successful plays came on him creating out of structure? One clip of him getting immediately dropped from bilateral edge pressure doesn’t cancel out the numerous clips I could show where he’s stepping up and avoiding pressure while making a play down field.

 

[COYS]

He does not run the facets of air raid that Mike Leach used to tear up defenses with. That was a lot more short and intermediate routes and timing patterns where you hit the guy in space and the QB gets rid of the ball quickly.

We could use more of that and less of what they've been running lately. We can't run anything that takes time to develop as the OL cannot hold their blocks.

Multiple times last night we ran those concepts with wide open WR’s. I feel people are confusing Dylan not making quick reads and throwing the ball with Holgs not running his offense. He is trying man, our QB just can’t do it.

 

[biscuitgaze01]

For the abject retards in the chat who claim our QB has “no pocket presence”, just as one brief example. Watch from 9:47 on in this video.

He’s stepping up and avoiding pressure literally every play. One play he even steps up from pressure and immediately runs into interior pressure. This segment of plays is culminated by I think one of his best snaps of the season at 11:29 where he slides out of a free rusher and rips a dig to 13 into a tight window.

Some absolute taters who know ZERO ball in this chat.

 

[biscuitgaze01]

Multiple times last night we ran those concepts with wide open WR’s. I feel people are confusing Dylan not making quick reads and throwing the ball with Holgs not running his offense. He is trying man, our QB just can’t do it.

Please diagram each play on the All-22 and discuss what the progression is, where the QB’s eyes are, and which “open receivers” he didn’t process.

Otherwise shut the fuck up you stupid retard.

 

[Mavsker]

For the abject retards in the chat who claim our QB has “no pocket presence”, just as one brief example. Watch from 9:47 on in this video.

He’s stepping up and avoiding pressure literally every play. One play he even steps up from pressure and immediately runs into interior pressure. This segment of plays is culminated by I think one of his best snaps of the season at 11:29 where he slides out of a free rusher and rips a dig to 13 into a tight window.

Some absolute taters who know ZERO ball in this chat.

I think he has decent pocket presence. He certainly has some. Not elite, but decent. He hesitates too long, too frequently.

But blaming pocket presence when the OL collapses from a 3 man rush in 2 seconds every other drop back is retarded. A couple of the sacks were on DR but 75%+ were on our boys getting manhandled up front