Lol at Tony White…

[nscottie]

For sure, definitely different players. Though as I've referenced in this thread, you wouldn't have to be replacing your entire front 7 this year if White/Knighton had stayed.

Good points. let me play devils advocate. Let’s say White still leaves but we’re not replacing 7 this year. How does Butler do? I know this is a lot of what ifs, but I’ve got nothing else to do right now. Lol

 

[Jim14510]

he’s lucky to be avoiding Indiana, Ohio state, and Oregon. And to a lesser extent Illinois and Washington. Butler’s toughest challenges are USC and who else? Maryland? Michigan might have been the 2nd best offense we see all year.

I don't think there's much of a difference between Mich St, Michigan and Penn St vs Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio St.

At least comparing rank between 24 and 25 won't be significantly different. 23 was definitely easier than 24/25.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Yes - he’s a huge upgrade over Diaco and Chins. I don’t think anyone would argue with you there

Baited that hook pretty juicy for the comeback to be "ya we just haven't had good DCs."

What about comparing him nationally? If 11th and 20th in the country isn't that great because we play in the B1G and it's going to take top 10 to be considered a good DC that's a pretty tall ask. I guess let's see if Butler does better this year then I'll come back and eat crow.

 

[ShortSideOption]

he’s lucky to be avoiding Indiana, Ohio state, and Oregon. And to a lesser extent Illinois and Washington. Butler’s toughest challenges are USC and who else? Maryland? Michigan might have been the 2nd best offense we see all year.

I think that's my point. He's not going to play nearly as tough opposing offenses and will still end up outside the top 25 IMO. Again, I will happily be wrong here I just don't see it.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Good points. let me play devils advocate. Let’s say White still leaves but we’re not replacing 7 this year. How does Butler do? I know this is a lot of what ifs, but I’ve got nothing else to do right now. Lol

Ya I think Butler would certainly do better with more returning players up front, or anywhere on his defense, as any coach does. Which circles it back to the continuity thing I've been clamoring about.

I don't think Butler is as good of a DC as Tony White, but again I'll happily be wrong since he's our guy now. I think Butler is more in the Mark Banker, John Papuchis, Carl Pelini level of guys we've had that put up worse numbers than Tony White's who "isn't that big of a loss." Certainly not as bad as Chins or Diaco. But I think Butler will leave here and he will be in the 30s/40s scoring defense range despite having easier schedules than Tony White. If he stays top 20 like White we will easily get to 9 or 10 wins and be in the CFP discussion in November.

 

[nscottie]

Ya I think Butler would certainly do better with more returning players up front, or anywhere on his defense, as any coach does. Which circles it back to the continuity thing I've been clamoring about.

I don't think Butler is as good of a DC as Tony White, but again I'll happily be wrong since he's our guy now. I think Butler is more in the Mark Banker, John Papuchis, Carl Pelini level of guys we've had that put up worse numbers than Tony White's who "isn't that big of a loss." Certainly not as bad as Chins or Diaco. But I think Butler will leave here and he will be in the 30s/40s scoring defense range despite having easier schedules than Tony White. If he stays top 20 like White we will easily get to 9 or 10 wins and be in the CFP discussion in November.

Thanks for the discussion. Always appreciate your input

 

[Blakejc]

I think that's my point. He's not going to play nearly as tough opposing offenses and will still end up outside the top 25 IMO. Again, I will happily be wrong here I just don't see it.

We’ll see how the next couple weeks go, but I could see our defense being a statistical anomaly. There’s a chance we give up 300 yards a game and it’s split 200 rushing/100 passing. We might have a team that allows the least amount of passing yards since San Jose St. in 2014 allowed 117/game. And we go 7-5 or 8-4 and we’re lucky to do so.

I dunno, I’m just expecting things to get weird the next two months.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Thanks for the discussion. Always appreciate your input

Not necessarily about you, we just have a guy that statistically is our best coordinator since joining the conference, and it's really not even close, but people are telling me it's not a big loss and it was all about the conference we play in.

If it's really about the conference, I'm sure we've gotten lucky another time and fallen in the top 25 for defensive ppg since he did it every year he was in Lincoln... Here is a list of the 14 years in the B1G and the rankings by our OC/DC in ppg (28 total):

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

 

[ShortSideOption]

We’ll see how the next couple weeks go, but I could see our defense being a statistical anomaly. There’s a chance we give up 300 yards a game and it’s split 200 rushing/100 passing. We might have a team that allows the least amount of passing yards since San Jose St. in 2014 allowed 117/game. And we go 7-5 or 8-4 and we’re lucky to do so.

I dunno, I’m just expecting things to get weird the next two months.

I am very interested about this Michigan State game. I was going to go across the river and place so much money on the overs at 48.5, but with 20-30 mph winds I've held off. I think we should be able to score on them, if we can hold them under 20 I will feel pretty good about things. I do expect us to come out with some new schemes which should help.

 

[doublewing]

Not necessarily about you, we just have a guy that statistically is our best coordinator since joining the conference, and it's really not even close, but people are telling me it's not a big loss and it was all about the conference we play in.

If it's really about the conference, I'm sure we've gotten lucky another time and fallen in the top 25 for defensive ppg... Here is a list of the 14 years in the B1G and the rankings by our OC/DC in ppg (28 total):

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

He got a lot of flack in real time, but a Tim Beck offense was productive and kept them in most games. Players made plays and we haven't had balance like that since.

Outside of Beck and TW, this is a very sad list of coaches that went on to do mostly nothing after NU and will be on no P4's radar as a coordinator again.

 

[dom91932]

Not necessarily about you, we just have a guy that statistically is our best coordinator since joining the conference, and it's really not even close, but people are telling me it's not a big loss and it was all about the conference we play in.

If it's really about the conference, I'm sure we've gotten lucky another time and fallen in the top 25 for defensive ppg since he did it every year he was in Lincoln... Here is a list of the 14 years in the B1G and the rankings by our OC/DC in ppg (28 total):

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

 

[nscottie]

Not necessarily about you, we just have a guy that statistically is our best coordinator since joining the conference, and it's really not even close, but people are telling me it's not a big loss and it was all about the conference we play in.

If it's really about the conference, I'm sure we've gotten lucky another time and fallen in the top 25 for defensive ppg since he did it every year he was in Lincoln... Here is a list of the 14 years in the B1G and the rankings by our OC/DC in ppg (28 total):

2014 - Tim Beck (10th)
2023 - Tony White (11th)
2024 - Tony White (20th)
2016 - Mark Banker (30th)
2012 - Tim Beck (37th)
2021 - Erik Chinander (37th)
2015 - Danny Langsdorf (37th)
2013 - John Papuchis (42nd)
2011 - Tim Beck (46th)
2011 - Carl Pelini (46th)
2013 - Tim Beck (52nd)
2014 - John Papuchis (53rd)
2018 - Troy Walters (54th)
2019 - Erik Chinander (61st)
2012 - John Papuchis (63rd)
2019 - Troy Walters (63rd)
2020 - Erik Chinander (64th)
2015 - Mark Banker (65th)
2016 - Danny Langsdorf (74th)
2022 - Erik Chinander/Bill Busch (75th)
2021 - Matt Lubick (79th)
2017 - Danny Langsdorf (80th)
2018 - Erik Chinander (94th)
2024 - Marcus Satterfield/Dana Holgerson (98th)
2020 - Matt Lubick (101st)
2022 - Mark Whipple (101st)
2017 - Bob Diaco (114th)
2023 - Marcus Satterfield (120th)

You won’t find me in the “not a big loss” camp. At the time he left up until today, I believe he was a big loss, mainly for the same reasons you listed in multiple posts.

I’m hoping Butler can step up and give a decent product, and quell my doubts.

 

[ShortSideOption]

He got a lot of flack in real time, but a Tim Beck offense was productive and kept them in most games. Players made plays and we haven't had balance like that since.

Outside of Beck and TW, this is a very sad list of coaches that went on to do mostly nothing after NU and will be on no P4's radar as a coordinator again.

When I put it together I was thinking the same thing, what a sad list. I did like what Tim Beck did in real time but admittedly I always thought we could be better. Shows what I know.

 

[ShortSideOption]

You won’t find me in the “not a big loss” camp. At the time he left up until today, I believe he was a big loss, mainly for the same reasons you listed in multiple posts.

I’m hoping Butler can step up and give a decent product, and quell my doubts.

Do I think the B1G is a bad offensive conference? Yeah. Do I think it’s getting better with Indiana stepping up and USC/Oregon coming in? Yeah. Do I think we’ve hired some atrocious coordinators since being a part of this conference in Lincoln? Absolutely.

But pretending we didn't have a Top 25 DC two years in a row, the only two years he was here, is just insane to me. Nebraska has never had that in this conference. Ever. In fact only three times have we had an offensive or defensive unit in the top 25 of ppg, and DC White is 66% of those. And that’s not just about who we’ve hired like some are posturing, that’s compared to DCs across the entire country. Acting like that doesn’t matter is just crazy.

If we have to get a top 10 coordinator for us to be impressed due to the conference we play in, I think we will be in trouble. Or have an increased suicide rate.

 

[Flabio]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOG MAKE IT STAP!

 

[HerbRedman]

 

[LWFloridaHusker]

Good job tonight, Tony!!

 

[V-Doub]

Were there more cooks in the kitchen bc TW’s defensive scheme had issues or he was struggling? No one knows and could this be sour grapes on TWs side of things? It’s all rumor, speculation, innuendo which makes the whole thing pointless unless folks have proof or where there.

I don’t know all about the rumors and speculations. What I do know is he left Nebraska for another school. So fuck him, he can eat shit and I’ll enjoy watching him lose.

 

[Grug]

I'm not going to hate on Tony but his first year we were #7 in Yards per play. In year two we were #52 with an experienced defense. People saw the weaknesses.

 

[Jim14510]

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