KU got fucked..

[alt f4]

That was my thought when watching it live, and also my thought on a 2AM fumble that either lost a game or ended the chance of winning it. Can't remember which one since there have been so many 2AM fumbles.

@alt f4, have they changed the guidelines on when to blow a whistle to end a play for lack of forward progress? What about when the forward progress ended 1.5 yards earlier, they ball carrier isn't down, but is wrapped up by two defenders?

Even in games I couldn't care less about, I see a lot of instances where the forward progress whistles are very, very late and weird shit happens before the whistle occurs.

Read my post just above yours.

As an official you want an intentionally slow whistle and even no whistle at times when runner is obviously down.

Where it leads to issues is this KU play and any progress plays where a cheap loose ball occurs.

I wish forward progress was reviewable. It's much easier to see on TV than real time.

 

[Alcaus]

Read my post just above yours.

As an official you want an intentionally slow whistle and even no whistle at times when runner is obviously down.

Where it leads to issues is this KU play and any progress plays where a cheap loose ball occurs.

I wish forward progress was reviewable. It's much easier to see on TV than real time.

Why isn’t it?

 

[hothouse_corn]

Why isn’t it?

No shit, that RB was not making it to the line to gain in any world that we share.

Read my post just above yours.

As an official you want an intentionally slow whistle and even no whistle at times when runner is obviously down.

Where it leads to issues is this KU play and any progress plays where a cheap loose ball occurs.

I wish forward progress was reviewable. It's much easier to see on TV than real time.

Rules have been changed so much to promote player safety in other ways, while also preferring letting the replay booth take care of anything by keeping whistles on the lanyard. Piles of young men are likely to get injured in that pile. Not @ you, but blow the damn whistle when a dude is moving backward and wrapped up.

The RB that didn't pass the line to gain and was driven back two yards, with two defenders wrapped around him, should have been enough for a whistle.

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

Terry McAuley said the “hand off” should have been deemed a fumble and therefore not able to be advanced by the offense.

 

[Jim14510]

I have zero doubt that the exchange was legal. My argument is that the play should have been blown dead.

College football refs don’t do anything anymore and just let replay decide everything. But forward progress isnt reviewable.

I stand by my argument that if the hand off never happens, and the running back falls down after being driven back, the refs would have spotted it where he was initially contacted. If that is the case then progress was stopped.

It all happened pretty quick.

 

[alt f4]

Terry McAuley said the “hand off” should have been deemed a fumble and therefore not able to be advanced by the offense.

I know he did a few Super Bowls, but he's wrong and I've heard him more wrong than right about college rules. This play it is a successful handing. However, that angle of a fumble is the only way replay could have fixed this mess up.


From rulebook:
ARTICLE 1. To fumble the ball is to lose player possession by any act other than passing, kicking or successful handing (A.R. 2-19-2-I and A.R. 4-1-3-I). The status of the ball is a fumble.


SECTION 13. Handing the Ball
ARTICLE 1. a. Handing the ball is transferring player possession from one teammate to another without throwing, fumbling or kicking it.

 

[Jim14510]

I know he did a few Super Bowls, but he's wrong and I've heard him more wrong than right about college rules. This play it is a successful handing. However, that angle of a fumble is the only way replay could have fixed this mess up.


From rulebook:
ARTICLE 1. To fumble the ball is to lose player possession by any act other than passing, kicking or successful handing (A.R. 2-19-2-I and A.R. 4-1-3-I). The status of the ball is a fumble.


SECTION 13. Handing the Ball
ARTICLE 1. a. Handing the ball is transferring player possession from one teammate to another without throwing, fumbling or kicking it.

That part is pretty clear. Martinez fumble against Michigan was worse from the standpoint of not blowing the whistle yet iyam. Neither were that bad. Real time it happens pretty quick.

 

[alt f4]

No shit, that RB was not making it to the line to gain in any world that we share.



Rules have been changed so much to promote player safety in other ways, while also preferring letting the replay booth take care of anything by keeping whistles on the lanyard. Piles of young men are likely to get injured in that pile. Not @ you, but blow the damn whistle when a dude is moving backward and wrapped up.

The RB that didn't pass the line to gain and was driven back two yards, with two defenders wrapped around him, should have been enough for a whistle.

The problem is this happens SOOOOO fast before you process it the is ball already moving back forward for a first down. It truly is amazing how fast D1 athletes and the game of football is from on-field compared to in stands or on TV. Add in crowd noise, game pressure and game deciding situations, it's extremely difficult to process things quickly.

I had a something similar happen to me Saturday in my game where it should have been a false start at the snap, not a live ball illegal shift (let play go). By the time I had processed what happened, realized it's a dead ball false start, in that split second thought process the QB had already thrown the ball, too late for a false start.

The hardest time I've ever had officiating is a Nebraska scrimmage where they pumped in crowd noise at 100ish dB. I had done several prior to that, other FBS spring games, and other important small college playoff games. But it was the noise which got to me mentally.

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

I know he did a few Super Bowls, but he's wrong and I've heard him more wrong than right about college rules. This play it is a successful handing. However, that angle of a fumble is the only way replay could have fixed this mess up.


From rulebook:
ARTICLE 1. To fumble the ball is to lose player possession by any act other than passing, kicking or successful handing (A.R. 2-19-2-I and A.R. 4-1-3-I). The status of the ball is a fumble.


SECTION 13. Handing the Ball
ARTICLE 1. a. Handing the ball is transferring player possession from one teammate to another without throwing, fumbling or kicking it.

This is a bit of a circular reference to me. All that says is that a handoff is not a fumble and that a fumble is not a handoff.

 

[Jim14510]

This is a bit of a circular reference to me. All that says is that a handoff is not a fumble and that a fumble is not a handoff.

I've had quite a few successful handings. A few unsuccessful ones.