Breaking JoBu Out

[BradWesley]

I don't know how the Butler thing went down. I'd love to know.

My only guess is Rhule prides himself on giving guys their first chance. He gets off on it. And I don't think he likes to bring in big established vets that will ruin is OOU vibe. He hired Dana but he already knew Dana was OOU.

It was all a mistake as it turns out.

That would explain our wide receivers coach last year, and the high school coach that got a dwi before he coached a snap.

 

[HerbRedman]

His hiring or firing? Or both?

Hiring

 

[HerbRedman]

That would explain our wide receivers coach last year, and the high school coach that got a dwi before he coached a snap.

McGuire was a last minute hire when Rhule couldn't hire Mickey. Mickey was the plan until that thing happened.

Garrett McGuire was a backup option

 

[Sous Chef]

looking back at some of his quotes in the offseason, he was frustrated by the pass defense giving up a lot of 3rd and longs and talked a lot of going to a more NFL style with relying on 4 man pressures vs TW's blitz packages.

I think he saw JoBu's NFL mindest as preferable, and thought by having a smaller more athletic front to generate pressure they could have a better defense. He horribly misjudged the talent on the DL and then the coaching between JoBu and Bradden was dog shit, resulting in what we got

Honestly I was more concerned about the defense after he made those comments. Rightly so. My immediate reaction was "This is college ball not the pros" And "there are only a very few college teams with the frontline talent to make that work". I guess in Rhule's mind since that's what he wanted we must have the talent to make it work...

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Honestly I was more concerned about the defense after he made those comments. Rightly so. My immediate reaction was "This is college ball not the pros" And "there are only a very few college teams with the frontline talent to make that work". I guess in Rhule's mind since that's what he wanted we must have the talent to make it work...

that was definitely concerning. It all sounded really out of touch, like he was trying to find a way to beat teams like Oregon and tOSU, not realizing he needed to build to beat teams like Minnesota and Cockeye.

I don't see that making sense unless they somehow thought they had a DL made up of 1st-3rd round draft picks

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

I don't know how the Butler thing went down. I'd love to know.

My only guess is Rhule prides himself on giving guys their first chance. He gets off on it. And I don't think he likes to bring in big established vets that will ruin is OOU vibe. He hired Dana but he already knew Dana was OOU.

It was all a mistake as it turns out.

Rhule ran into Butler while on vacation in Spain of all places. Butler had been let go by the Buffalo Bills when they didn't hire him as their DC, Butler had been the DB coach for Buffalo for 7 years and had put together very impressive numbers in the NFL. He had been a DC at Penn St. before Franklin arrived. Butler and Rhule had some interesting casual conversations and then the scandal happened with the original DB AC Rhule hired early in the Summer, and Rhule reached out to Butler regarding the job. Rhule thought he had actually won at this point, because Butler had serious cred, and could be a DC if White left as expected.

 

[Bulldog10]

Rhule ran into Butler while on vacation in Spain of all places. Butler had been let go by the Buffalo Bills when they didn't hire him as their DC, Butler had been the DB coach for Buffalo for 7 years and had put together very impressive numbers in the NFL. He had been a DC at Penn St. before Franklin arrived. Butler and Rhule had some interesting casual conversations and then the scandal happened with the original DB AC Rhule hired early in the Summer, and Rhule reached out to Butler regarding the job. Rhule thought he had actually won at this point, because Butler had serious cred, and could be a DC if White left as expected.

I mean he definitely did upgrade going from Evan Cooper to Butler as a secondary coach. The part where he failed was promoting Butler to DC.

 

[Quint]

Honestly I was more concerned about the defense after he made those comments. Rightly so. My immediate reaction was "This is college ball not the pros" And "there are only a very few college teams with the frontline talent to make that work". I guess in Rhule's mind since that's what he wanted we must have the talent to make it work...

I have to think the staff collectively thought they’d get more out of the line than we did. I don’t know if they thought the development I expect to see in the coming years out of Pietrzak, Moore, Davis and Terry (Injured) and what I had assumed would have been a more impactful Sophomore campaign out of Van Poppel just didn’t materialize or what, but despite the flashes in some series, it just generally wasn’t there. If they had really hung their hopes on all that and Juedy making a jump, I’m really wondering what the hell thecollective talent evaluation is coming from.

 

[HCFord1]

I mean he definitely did upgrade going from Evan Cooper to Butler as a secondary coach. The part where he failed was promoting Butler to DC.

But did Rhule consider how bringing in a guy with significant NFL DB coaching success and also college DC experience would make Tony White feel?!?

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

But did Rhule consider how bringing in a guy with significant NFL DB coaching success and also college DC experience would make Tony White feel?!?

Tony was going to be gone, and he had almost pulled it off at the end of 2023 with both UCLA and/or USC, Rhule would have been screwed by White, but Rhule actually was extremely kind and helpful. Butler looked for all the world like a sure thing, so why wouldn't he? His time in the NFL was really a solid resume thing. Tony and Matt were both extremely honest about the idea that White had HC desires, and wanted positioning to be able to QUICKLY obtain that opportunity.

 

[rsmacke]

Tony was going to be gone, and he had almost pulled it off at the end of 2023 with both UCLA and/or USC, Rhule would have been screwed by White, but Rhule actually was extremely kind and helpful. Butler looked for all the world like a sure thing, so why wouldn't he? His time in the NFL was really a solid resume thing. Tony and Matt were both extremely honest about the idea that White had HC desires, and wanted positioning to be able to QUICKLY obtain that opportunity.

“Butler looked for all the world like a sure thing“

I disagree strongly with this. Dude was a good DB coach who was passed over for DC duties by his own team multiple times. Nobody was giving him a chance to be a dc which is why he took a DB job at Nebraska. Hiring him as a DC was a huge risk and failed pretty bad.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

I have to think the staff collectively thought they’d get more out of the line than we did. I don’t know if they thought the development I expect to see in the coming years out of Pietrzak, Moore, Davis and Terry (Injured) and what I had assumed would have been a more impactful Sophomore campaign out of Van Poppel just didn’t materialize or what, but despite the flashes in some series, it just generally wasn’t there. If they had really hung their hopes on all that and Juedy making a jump, I’m really wondering what the hell thecollective talent evaluation is coming from.

The staff thought they were moving RVP to 0 - 3 tech and that was going to be the answer. The problem was that RVP isn't a 0 - 3 tech DL, he is more of a 3 - 5 tech and he isn't a Ty Robinson who can play all the way across the front. They also were hoping to develop Moore the RFR from Miss. State. Problem was Moore had adjustment problems, because again he is more of 3 - 5 tech guy.

We had a chance in the portal for a 0 - 3 tech DL but he went elsewhere, and we weren't able/willing to spend a bunch of NIL on a 0 - 3 tech. We also missed out on the kid from Sweden who we REALLY REALLY WANTED who is a 2026 class.

Long and short we have to get a nose from the portal and we are going to have to be willing to pay.

 

[ThankGODforWVB]

“Butler looked for all the world like a sure thing“

I disagree strongly with this. Dude was a good DB coach who was passed over for DC duties pay his own team multiple times. Nobody was giving him a chance to be a dc which is why he took a DB job at Nebraska. Hiring him as a DC was a huge risk and failed pretty bad.

There are tons of guys in the NFL who will never sniff the DC job in the NFL, but would probably be excellent DC's in college. I truly believe Butler is one of those guys.

 

[Alcaus]

But did Rhule consider how bringing in a guy with significant NFL DB coaching success and also college DC experience would make Tony White feel?!?

I know you’re being sarcastic so this isn’t aimed at you but we’ve seen this line of reasoning pushed seriously so…

Everyone was worried TW was getting a HC job at the end of his last year, which is partly why the move to FSU was so shocking. The other part was that the defense showed poorly towards the end of last year so a lateral move seemed weird.

Him being butthurt because Rhule hired one of the best position coaches available in JULY is something you have to weigh. Hurt TWs feelings or improve the staff as best you can with a guy that can potentially fill an expected void when TW moves on.

Could Rhule find a guy familiar with Tony’s defense at that time? No clue, seems pretty damn late considering Butler was hired 5 days after Cooper resigned.

Everybody acting like Rhule chased off TW is really dumb. Every account pointed to Rhule wanting TW to stay.

 

[rsmacke]

There are tons of guys in the NFL who will never sniff the DC job in the NFL, but would probably be excellent DC's in college. I truly believe Butler is one of those guys.

He would be a good DC for a team that has a lot of NFL talent. There’s not many of those teams and none of them are hiring him.

 

[HCFord1]

Anyone know what Nebraska assistant and support staff pool is? I thought I remembered hearing $7Mish for assistants and thinking that it wasn’t nearly as big of a number as people think. This kind of confirms that and it’s going to be hard to attract a top flight DC without the salary pool to support it.

 

[herbsinator]

Anyone know what Nebraska assistant and support staff pool is? I thought I remembered hearing $7Mish for assistants and thinking that it wasn’t nearly as big of a number as people think. This kind of confirms that and it’s going to be hard to attract a top flight DC without the salary pool to support it.

I wouldn’t be worried about the salary pool if we’re going after a legit DC

 

[rsmacke]

Anyone know what Nebraska assistant and support staff pool is? I thought I remembered hearing $7Mish for assistants and thinking that it wasn’t nearly as big of a number as people think. This kind of confirms that and it’s going to be hard to attract a top flight DC without the salary pool to support it.

Nebraska kids get ready to speak pedo state

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Anyone know what Nebraska assistant and support staff pool is? I thought I remembered hearing $7Mish for assistants and thinking that it wasn’t nearly as big of a number as people think. This kind of confirms that and it’s going to be hard to attract a top flight DC without the salary pool to support it.

$7 million was just on field assistants + S&C, I think. I can't even venture a guess at what Nebraska is all in on support staff

 

[HCFord1]

$7 million was just on field assistants + S&C, I think. I can't even venture a guess at what Nebraska is all in on support staff

I doubt if it’s another $10M but maybe I’m wrong