If the B1G goes to 20 teams are we stuck in a division with the Pac 12 teams? (2 Viewers)

[CornFed Gregger]

Disclaimer: I live on the WC.

This is what I'm hoping comes out of this, mainly because I fucking hate the traditional B10. I did the road trips to the big stadiums and have no more interest in traveling to those places. IDGAF about their stupid rivalry trophies and NU has always been an outsider.

Stick us with the West teams who are also outsiders. I'll take those road trips over anything in the B10. There are so many NU alumni out here that will travel to more games, including me.

Cocksuckers are gonna still treat us like outsiders & embrace their “Rose Bowl brothers”. Possibly a big part of it is red state vs blue state & they ignore any red states with OG members

 

[Cash68847]

I did 2011-2021, Nebraska's first 10 yrs in the B1G.

But that being said, Wisconsin and Cockeye are both considered stronger programs now than they were in 2011. Cockeye finished 4th & 5th in the Legends division first 2 yrs of Nebraska in the B1G. They've improved since then, as I noted.

I think MSU might be a wash at this point - even w the bad year in 2022, people don't know if 2021 (10 wins) or 2022 is the real Mel Tucker.

No way on MSU. Tucker had a lucky year. Dantonio had a good program going. We can argue on the others but those programs aren’t vastly better now. Hell Gary Anderson won the west his last year at Wisconsin and Chryst had his best years early on. I don’t think I would have fired Chryst because it feels like what Nebraska did with various coaches, but there has been a drop off lately.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

I think I would miss the regional matchups.

This is what I used to like most about college football. Having all of your rivals now more than a couple hundred miles away with fanbases with lots of similarities in community, culture, lifestyle, etc.

I’ll still watch Nebraska every week, but feel like my interest in other games will continue to wane.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

It's an unknown is my only point. I agree that conferences need 3 tiers or else you have a very boring '8-8 ville' that the NFL lives in (IMHO).

Nebraska has feasted on that 3rd tier for decades under TO, Solich, Callahan & Bo. It's been very noticeable the last 5-6 yrs as the B1G's 3rd tier all upgraded while Nebraska got worse. Illinois and Purdue used to be bye weeks for Bo but they hired Bielema and Brohm and way upgraded. Rutgers was the worst CFB program in the country when they joined and now they're much better. Ditto for Maryland.

My point is that if this continues, and it might since all these 3rd tier schools will be getting $100m/yr, it's going to make the new B1G very difficult. As you said, you need some off weeks (Nebraska has had this for 50 yrs in whatever conference they've been in).

Agree with a lot of this. Getting pumped to go 7-5 as the conference feasts on itself sounds like shitty NFL junior and I can’t think of anything worse.

 

[HerbRedman]

Agree with a lot of this. Getting pumped to go 7-5 as the conference feasts on itself sounds like shitty NFL junior and I can’t think of anything worse.

I'm not knocking it, necessarily. The vast majority of world sports fans' teams win 55-60% of their games in a successful season - that goes for NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Premier League, every pro soccer league in the world, etc etc etc. It seems to work for those fans - they all get liquored up, wear the jerseys every week, do the tailgating, have the BBQs, watch parties etc. The entire US and world sport works this way.

It's just tough for fanbases like Nebraska's where they won 85% of their games for a 50-year period and are holding out hope that the program can one day get back to that. That end goal is dead though. It doesn't exist for any team really.

NU fans are better off just embracing it. Again, I am not an NFL fan but I see their fanbases go nuts every year for their teams and their games. If the 9-8 end game every season doesn't kill their fanbases (and it doesn't, far from it actually) then I don't think it will kill Nebraska's.

I'm actually not negative at all about any of these changes. I saw this shit coming like 4-5 yrs ago. When I saw Northwestern's palatial indoor FB facility on the lakeshore I was like "fuck, even they have money now." Then when I saw Illinois -- fucking shitty Illinois -- pay Bielema like $4m/yr and give him $5m for asst coach salary pool I was like "yep, I see where this is going."

It's the socialism model that the NFL employs. If B1G is paying all their members the same amount ($60m-100m) these programs are gonna spend it. It's just simple math.

 

[Stan Raymond]

I'm not knocking it, necessarily. The vast majority of world sports fans' teams win 55-60% of their games in a successful season - that goes for NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Premier League, every pro soccer league in the world, etc etc etc. It seems to work for those fans - they all get liquored up, wear the jerseys every week, do the tailgating, have the BBQs, watch parties etc. The entire US and world sport works this way.

It's just tough for fanbases like Nebraska's where they won 85% of their games for a 50-year period and are holding out hope that the program can one day get back to that. That end goal is dead though. It doesn't exist for any team really.

NU fans are better off just embracing it. Again, I am not an NFL fan but I see their fanbases go nuts every year for their teams and their games. If the 9-8 end game every season doesn't kill their fanbases (and it doesn't, far from it actually) then I don't think it will kill Nebraska's.

I'm actually not negative at all about any of these changes. I saw this shit coming like 4-5 yrs ago. When I saw Northwestern's palatial indoor FB facility on the lakeshore I was like "fuck, even they have money now." Then when I saw Illinois -- fucking shitty Illinois -- pay Bielema like $4m/yr and give him $5m for asst coach salary pool I was like "yep, I see where this is going."

It's the socialism model that the NFL employs. If B1G is paying all their members the same amount ($60m-100m) these programs are gonna spend it. It's just simple math.

I don't see the enthusiasm of fans at the major programs dipping. The win totals will drop some, don't think there will be any undefeated seasons. But there will still be top programs and bottom programs in the super 2 conferences. There will always be a difference between Alabama and Vanderbilt. Vandy could have a couple of good years, but on the average they will be a bottom dweller. There are some schools that are comfortable there and happy to get the paycheck that makes their whole AD budget work. If they luck into a good young coach they'll be decent until he is poached to a bigger name. I also don't see the major teams getting rid of 2 pay for play games everyone schedules. It gives more home games for the school and the local area and pads the record while giving a small school a major payoff for their AD budget. Why get rid of it when season ticket holders will continue to pay for it. Records will drop a bit as there will consistently be 3 or 4 top teams scheduled instead of just 2 or 3, but the names at the top won't change a whole lot unless a draft is initiated, which I don't see practical or really desired.

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

I also don't see the major teams getting rid of 2 pay for play games everyone schedules. It gives more home games for the school and the local area and pads the record while giving a small school a major payoff for their AD budget.

At this point, if we’re going full nfl junior, I’d like to see a split of the 64 power five teams from the other 60+ group of 5’s, playing in 8 8-team divisions. This would mean no more patsy games between Alabama and Alabama A&T in November. P5’s couldn’t schedule G5’s anymore.

I’d also like to see the bottom team in each division relegated to the G5 league and the top team from each G5 league team move up to the P5 league. Give a legit pathway for G5 teams to move into P5 and stay there if they invest in their program.

 

[Stan Raymond]

At this point, if we’re going full nfl junior, I’d like to see a split of the 64 power five teams from the other 60+ group of 5’s, playing in 8 8-team divisions. I’d also like to see the bottom team in each division relegated to the G5 league and the top team from each G5 league team move up to the P5 league. Give a legit pathway for G5 teams to move into P5 and stay there if they invest in their program.

Absolutely impossible.

But I'm 100% with you on both. Have the 8 conferences listed out somewhere on Excel. Like the relegation/promotion to, but always though there needed to be a mandatory attendance piece to it as well as being the top team. Think I even had lower leagues lined up with the 8 leagues so relegation/promotion continued to make geographical sense. Makes a nice and easy 8 team champions tournament at the end as well.

 

[HerbRedman]

At this point, if we’re going full nfl junior, I’d like to see a split of the 64 power five teams from the other 60+ group of 5’s, playing in 8 8-team divisions. This would mean no more patsy games between Alabama and Alabama A&T in November. P5’s couldn’t schedule G5’s anymore.

I’d also like to see the bottom team in each division relegated to the G5 league and the top team from each G5 league team move up to the P5 league. Give a legit pathway for G5 teams to move into P5 and stay there if they invest in their program.

To Stan's point, teams are going to NEED those buy games to pad their records. You need N Illinois, S Alabama, Bethune Cookman, etc.

If you have 12 conference games then we really will be in a 6-6 world, full on NFL Jr.

If you keep 3 regional nonconference games then teams can still go 4-5 in the SEC but finish at 7-5, make a bowl (if those still exist) and the fans will be happy because they'll think it's a successful season.

Also they'll want to keep some of these old regional games like Nebraska-KSU, Oregon-Oregon State, UW-WSU...so the big schools cam pretend like they care to preserve history (even though they stabbed those schools in the back).

Nebraska will probably always have games vs KSU, ISU, KU etc for this reason. They're going to be more and more lopsided though as we bring in $100m and they bring in $30m/yr

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

To Stan's point, teams are going to NEED those buy games to pad their records. You need N Illinois, S Alabama, Bethune Cookman, etc.

If you have 12 conference games then we really will be in a 6-6 world, full on NFL Jr.

If you keep 3 regional nonconference games then teams can still go 4-5 in the SEC but finish at 7-5, make a bowl (if those still exist) and the fans will be happy because they'll think it's a successful season.

Also they'll want to keep some of these old regional games like Nebraska-KSU, Oregon-Oregon State, UW-WSU...so the big schools cam pretend like they care to preserve history (even though they stabbed those schools in the back).

Nebraska will probably always have games vs KSU, ISU, KU etc for this reason. They're going to be more and more lopsided though as we bring in $100m and they bring in $30m/yr

You know the best way to maintain regional, border state rivalries? Play them in conference games. Maybe, like, an 8 team conference…. Maybe even call it the Big 8!?

 

[Jim14510]

P5’s couldn’t schedule G5’s anymore.

You'd kill G5's

 

[lee_carvallo_12]

You'd kill G5's

Damn right I would.