Fun filled stats on Martinez

[HCFord1]

I feel like this type of analysis could be done for just about every position group on offense because there's so much shared suck this year. You could probably make an argument (not necessarily a convincing one) that this OL would be better with a QB who could read the defense better and get rid of the ball more quickly, paired with a RB who consistently could get even just 1 extra yard after contact. Similarly, our WR group can probably point to numerous plays where they're running free for an easy TD if Martinez is able to make the correct read.

I don't think our offensive problems are due to Martinez's performance, but I'm not really convinced that he's capable of elevating his play even if his supporting cast starts doing their job more consistently. Outside of the TE room, this offense really needed a reset and hopefully that's what we're going to see next year.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

Martinez has his faults, but it's pretty clear that our OL has been a major pressure all year. Least blitzed, but most pressured QB is a pretty weird stat w/ an obvious place to put the blame.

 

[djw004]

Would it?

I believe it would. As said prior - earlier than intended. Has to be a judgement call - but I think most competent statisticians would be able to determine with a high level of certain when throwing when hurried. And if we don't like the result then, it would likely point to too long of time for route development which would be more of a scheme issue.

I don't know that anyone argues that Adrian is a scorned saint...he has his issues. But I do think he has had to carry a heavier load than most and that a lot of our problems look like his fault, but have root causes elsewhere.

Despite all of that - he's one hell of a 3 quarter qb that can't win. As I've stated before, he's the best QB ever that just cannot win games and perform when it matters most.

 

[djw004]

Martinez has his faults, but it's pretty clear that our OL has been a major pressure all year. Least blitzed, but most pressured QB is a pretty weird stat w/ an obvious place to put the blame.

I do think the "least blitzed" tag is a little unfair in the respect that it's usually unwise to bring a lot of guys at a great runner like Adrian. If it does get picked up properly - he gone.

But overall, absolutely absurd that we experience the most pressure with least blitzed

 

[slattimer]

The one that jumps out to me is that our Tackles rank dead last among P5 pass blocking grades, RG is 13th worst, the the starting LT is 3rd worst in run blocking. I know PFF grades are mostly subjective shit, but holy fuck. We suck upfront.

 

[Alcaus]

Too bad we squandered all that All American talent

 

[That SOB Van Owen]

Wait till he lights it up at K State next year lol

 

[Baron Winnebago]

I believe it would. As said prior - earlier than intended. Has to be a judgement call - but I think most competent statisticians would be able to determine with a high level of certain when throwing when hurried. And if we don't like the result then, it would likely point to too long of time for route development which would be more of a scheme issue.

I don't know that anyone argues that Adrian is a scorned saint...he has his issues. But I do think he has had to carry a heavier load than most and that a lot of our problems look like his fault, but have root causes elsewhere.

Despite all of that - he's one hell of a 3 quarter qb that can't win. As I've stated before, he's the best QB ever that just cannot win games and perform when it matters most.

How would a competent statistician do that with a high degree of certainty?

 

[djw004]

There are generally acceptable lengths of times for routes to develop and lengths of time that is acceptable to hold the ball while expecting to be able to go through your progression, so using those principles would be a good starting point. Was the normal progression interrupted? Then it's a hurry. Did the QB have less than 2 seconds before someone is flushing him out? That's a hurry. Was he standing there for 6 seconds untouched and uninterrupted waiting for a guy to run an out and up and in and around and back up? Not a hurry.

I truthfully don't believe that'd be too difficult determine if you're watching the film for the expressed purpose of tracking QB pressure...

 

[Woodrow F Call]

Found this on redit, but....

So basically about 2 of his pressures per game might be his fault based on my understanding of how the stats are kept.


I don't know. My guess is it is a judgement based on whoever keeps the stats for the game.

I'm gonna beg to differ on this one.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Found this on redit, but....

"As already commented here, the definition will vary depending on the provider due to the subjective nature of those statistics. On PFR, a hurry is any play where the QB is induced to throw the ball earlier than intended or chased out of the pocket, while a pressure is a more encompassing stat that covers sacks, hurries and QB knockdowns."

So basically about 2 of his pressures per game might be his fault based on my understanding of how the stats are kept.


I don't know. My guess is it is a judgement based on whoever keeps the stats for the game.

Saw this...



My guess is this is fairly subjective stat.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

At least Thompson will be use to a shitty O-Line!

Was actually my 2nd thought after wondering where Neb was on this list.

 

[Jim14510]

He's also going to a worse oline.

 

[Ext. 55]

So, all I can surmise from all of this is…we were a shit football team who only won 3 games. Our OL was bad, our QB not great and moral victories are still good?