Defensive Changes

[slattimer]

As per the UG Report and Premi Report, this is what I'm hoping occurs with the Busch to DC and defense moving forward.

#1. Based on those reports, it's most likely the defense was suffering from paralysis by analysis.
- Coaches do this shit to their players all of the time at one time or another. It basically comes down to the last man with the chalk mentality. As you want your players to have every tool and check possible to play every conceivable thing - or - be so detailed vs an opponent to shut them down.

The problem with this, is it's impossible. And all it basically does it make your players play so as shit. Where this shit works, the Pros. Or teams with highly experienced players within a system. Like we had last year...and were able to get away with it...for the most part. You still saw breakdowns, and that's what happens when you try and play this way.

If you really want to look into the complexities of defense, I'd suggest reading the Pass Coverage Glossary by Cameron Soran. There's a reason teams usually major in 1 shell or 2 shell defense. The complexities in coverage in the modern world are vast, just look at the Cov 1 section.

#2. So I'm hopefully they simplify shit down to a Mike Leach style call sheet, and focus on aligning correctly, simple rules for read and reaction, and just play fast. I guess we'll see on Saturday, but if the D looks noticeably better, I'm guessing that will be the cause. Because I don't think the talent disparity is that damn bad. It can't be....at least I hope.

 

[Alcaus]

 

[iruletheskool]

But can they unlearn it in 2 weeks

 

[Ext. Frank]

Please, please, please, please, please, please....PLEASE...make it more simple and don't look like total dogshit anymore.

simple gap assignments and visual cues that allow players to use their athleticism to just play football...PLEASE!

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

As per the UG Report and Premi Report, this is what I'm hoping occurs with the Busch to DC and defense moving forward.

#1. Based on those reports, it's most likely the defense was suffering from paralysis by analysis.
- Coaches do this shit to their players all of the time at one time or another. It basically comes down to the last man with the chalk mentality. As you want your players to have every tool and check possible to play every conceivable thing - or - be so detailed vs an opponent to shut them down.

The problem with this, is it's impossible. And all it basically does it make your players play so as shit. Where this shit works, the Pros. Or teams with highly experienced players within a system. Like we had last year...and were able to get away with it...for the most part. You still saw breakdowns, and that's what happens when you try and play this way.

If you really want to look into the complexities of defense, I'd suggest reading the Pass Coverage Glossary by Cameron Soran. There's a reason teams usually major in 1 shell or 2 shell defense. The complexities in coverage in the modern world are vast, just look at the Cov 1 section.

#2. So I'm hopefully they simplify shit down to a Mike Leach style call sheet, and focus on aligning correctly, simple rules for read and reaction, and just play fast. I guess we'll see on Saturday, but if the D looks noticeably better, I'm guessing that will be the cause. Because I don't think the talent disparity is that damn bad. It can't be....at least I hope.

Yeah I think you simplify the back end, come up with a few good stunts/blitzes to help your interior and let your athletes play vs think.

You'll probably give up a few big plays, but you are already doing that. At least get lined up right and play your responsibility right.

 

[Toe]

Coaches do this shit to their players all of the time at one time or another. It basically comes down to the last man with the chalk mentality. As you want your players to have every tool and check possible to play every conceivable thing - or - be so detailed vs an opponent to shut them down.

So many college coaches overvalue out-scheming their opponent and undervalue out-executing them. The coaches might have the time and mental bandwidth to think about every little if/then scenario, but a bunch of college students with a million other things going on do not.

 

[11husker23]

I mean I would have thought by now we cold unleash Mathis, Tannor and Nelson at the same time on a third down and actually get to the QB...Isn't that why we paid Mathis to come play here? I worry more about our shitty run defense. Any team with a decent Line will wear us down just like that shitty northwestern team did in Ireland while Scotty was nursing a hangover.

 

[Blakejc]

Help me manage my expectations here. What would be some statistical goals the next 8 games if this defense maximizes? Allow 150 rush ypg/250 pass ypg? 25 points per game? Clearly they can improve upon the 233/281 split they currently have, as well as the 35 points allowed, but they still have depth/experience/talent concerns that a simplified scheme can’t fix.

And then, how many games can we expect to win in b10 play giving up 150 rush yards and 25 points per game? 2-4? Maybe 5 if you’re getting turnovers and playing good special teams?

Curious what others think are some good statistical goals for the defense in these next 8 games.

 

[ChocaEgg]

Help me manage my expectations here. What would be some statistical goals the next 8 games if this defense maximizes? Allow 150 rush ypg/250 pass ypg? 25 points per game? Clearly they can improve upon the 233/281 split they currently have, as well as the 35 points allowed, but they still have depth/experience/talent concerns that a simplified scheme can’t fix.

And then, how many games can we expect to win in b10 play giving up 150 rush yards and 25 points per game? 2-4? Maybe 5 if you’re getting turnovers and playing good special teams?

Curious what others think are some good statistical goals for the defense in these next 8 games.

Even if we 'improve', the schedule gets harder so we'll likely continue to look worse and worse no matter what.

I don't expect any wins the rest of the year and stats will remain roughly the same.

 

[11husker23]

Even if we 'improve', the schedule gets harder so we'll likely continue to look worse and worse no matter what.

I don't expect any wins the rest of the year and stats will remain roughly the same.

Exactly. If Northwestern can run it down our throats I can't wait to see what Wisky, Cockeyes, gophers and Meat chicken do to us.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Help me manage my expectations here. What would be some statistical goals the next 8 games if this defense maximizes? Allow 150 rush ypg/250 pass ypg? 25 points per game? Clearly they can improve upon the 233/281 split they currently have, as well as the 35 points allowed, but they still have depth/experience/talent concerns that a simplified scheme can’t fix.

And then, how many games can we expect to win in b10 play giving up 150 rush yards and 25 points per game? 2-4? Maybe 5 if you’re getting turnovers and playing good special teams?

Curious what others think are some good statistical goals for the defense in these next 8 games.

Even if we 'improve', the schedule gets harder so we'll likely continue to look worse and worse no matter what.

I don't expect any wins the rest of the year and stats will remain roughly the same.

Exactly, this is going to be a big test mentally. If we lose vs Rutgers/Indiana I could see the wheels really starting to come off down the stretch....assuming they are still barely on now.

I think one thing Mickey will do that will help is try to protect his defense. I almost expect us to look more like Minnesota and try to posses the ball more going forward.

 

[Blakejc]

Exactly. If Northwestern can run it down our throats I can't wait to see what Wisky, Cockeyes, gophers and Meat chicken do to us.

If you think we maximized our potential that game, then ya, we don’t stand a chance against anyone.

The question is more about how much better is the team capable of playing, and what’s their ceiling? Can simplifying the scheme and playing faster and tackling better take us from 120th in d to say 70th?

 

[ChocaEgg]

If you think we maximized our potential that game, then ya, we don’t stand a chance against anyone.

The question is more about how much better is the team capable of playing, and what’s their ceiling? Can simplifying the scheme and playing faster and tackling better take us from 120th in d to say 70th?

I don't think so. We might barely break into the top 100 but that's probably the best case scenario.

 

[Bootleg11]

I mean I would have thought by now we cold unleash Mathis, Tannor and Nelson at the same time on a third down and actually get to the QB...Isn't that why we paid Mathis to come play here? I worry more about our shitty run defense. Any team with a decent Line will wear us down just like that shitty northwestern team did in Ireland while Scotty was nursing a hangover.

Got to get to 3rd down to do that lol

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Got to get to 3rd down to do that lol

Yup....

Look at Nebraska's numbers....






131st in 3rd/4th down success? WTF

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

Also you want to see some scary matchups for us in the future......








Minnesota and Michigan are really really good right now.

 

[KidsSeeGhosts]

There's no way our defense is as bad (talent wise) as we've seen against NW and Georgia Southern.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

There's no way our defense is as bad (talent wise) as we've seen against NW and Georgia Southern.

They aren't.... They weren't getting lined up right. GA Southern's big runs we were in the wrong front.

That is why I think you simplify it and let them be athletes.

 

[ChocaEgg]

There's no way our defense is as bad (talent wise) as we've seen against NW and Georgia Southern.

It has some talent, but it also has a lot of SAWGy boys too.

 

[Faux Sean Callahan]

It has some talent, but it also has a lot of SAWGy boys too.

It has enough talent to be significantly better than where it is. We aren't shinning a turd here.