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[Jim14510]

I doubt you are obese, though. Many are somewhat overweight. There's a difference between that and obese. I could never be happy being obese. Don't ever plan on letting myself get fat. But maybe that will change as I get older (doubt it).

Yeah I was exaggerating. I'm not rich.

 

[ThomOsborneMD]

They don’t even know how it works yet. Should be interesting in a few years with the side effects.

“they” do though.

 

[Cash68847]

Having been in the nutrition and health business for 18 years in the past, it astounds me how many fats we have in this country. Really, all it takes is some self discipline for most. I get that it is tougher for some, but overall, most people simply eat like shit. Not only shitty food (processed, sugary, etc), but FAR too much of it.

I am lucky in that I have never had a weight problem. 5'-11" and between 165 and 175 my entire adult life. So type of body style does matter in the scenario.

But I still see so many simply obese people, it is mind numbing. You can see the problems it is causing them, even the younger ones. And yes, there are people like your fiance you are fit and trim, with a mother/father who are the exact opposite. Some people will just have a harder time getting fat even if not taking care of themselves, but the biggest variable is eating fairly healthy and keeping daily cals in a reasonable zone. And stay physically active. That doesn't mean having to hit the gym 5 days a week, or spending an hour on the treadmill, but it does mean using your body. Our bodies are biological machines, and need honing and upkeep and to not be fed crappy fuel. For most of us, if we stay reasonably active and eat reasonably healthy, our bodies will last a damn long time.

I think the biggest problem is most people sit on their asses and the food is all garbage compared to what it use to be when our parents and grandparents were younger. Most people don’t make homemade meals anymore. It’s easier to go get fast food for the family or grab some junk at the gas station.

 

[tman87]

I think the biggest problem is most people sit on their asses and the food is all garbage compared to what it use to be when our parents and grandparents were younger. Most people don’t make homemade meals anymore. It’s easier to go get fast food for the family or grab some junk at the gas station.

America has become extremely lazy and seditary. Fast food, door dash, etc is even more a sign of laziness.

Online everything - in other words, sitting on one's ass looking at electronic devices, social media, etc, just feeds into this even more. Food quality has gotten worse. Processed everything.

 

[Cash68847]

America has become extremely lazy and seditary. Fast food, door dash, etc is even more a sign of laziness.

Online everything - in other words, sitting on one's ass looking at electronic devices, social media, etc, just feeds into this even more. Food quality has gotten worse. Processed everything.

And our healthcare system is a joke regarding trying to make people healthy. It’s a big circle jerk between the processed foods company and big pharma. People eat the shitty food and they give you a pill or shot to manage your shitty choices. They don’t like talking about preventative healthcare like they should. I get how some people get wrapped into eating shit foods. It’s cheaper and people don’t have the time and money in most cases to buy and eat the right foods.

 

[greybeardedchild]

And our healthcare system is a joke regarding trying to make people healthy. It’s a big circle jerk between the processed foods company and big pharma. People eat the shitty food and they give you a pill or shot to manage your shitty choices. They don’t like talking about preventative healthcare like they should. I get how some people get wrapped into eating shit foods. It’s cheaper and people don’t have the time and money in most cases to buy and eat the right foods.

This. My faith in modern healthcare has been shaken due to my own experience. (Feel free to skip up you don't like hearing others health problems lol)
As a late teenager, I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. Shitting blood and diarrhea multiple times a day, lost 50 lbs in 3 months, Different bouts of anemia from so much blood loss. After some steroids and antibiotics to get it under control initially, was put on a pretty harmless pill that controlled it for years. Then that quit working, back to same symptoms. Couple more years of doctoring and colonoscopies, trying to figure out another treatment plan that worked. All the while racking up my chances of colon cancer. My GI doc, (whom I respect but believe he is trained to think only in pharmaceutical disciplines) decided it was time to go on a hardcore biological drug. Side effects include: Infertility, Liver damage, Increased risk of lymphoma, increased risk of cardio disease, skin rashs, on and on. Whole big pamphlet to sign off and accept. Throughout the years I had asked at least 5 different specialists if diet had anything to do with it. " No, usually we don't see diet affecting or playing a part in the problem. Some foods may aggravate the symptoms, but we don't know what they are". I was told that yes, this drug is expensive, long term, and will come with adverse side effects eventually, but better than shitting blood and getting colon cancer before 40, right?

Since I was trying to get a woman pregnant at the time, we decided that was a non-starter. Found a "health coach", who told me to stop with the processed foods and energy drinks, put me on about 10 different supplements with no side effects, and my symptoms literally started clearing up in weeks. He suggested I take some dewormer, and I proceeded to shit out visible worms and parasites for weeks. Chicken or egg whether parasites and fungus came first and messed me up or inflamed colon gave them a place to get their start, but I am able to venture more than 5 mins from a bathroom for the first time in years. Of course, this all comes with big disclaimers from the health coach, "NOT FDA APPROVED". FDA would rather approve a biweekly injection to give me liver damage and cancer, trading symptoms I have for worse ones.
I don't blame my doctors for pushing me towards drugs, but it is infuriating that I have had 6-8 colonoscopies before I turned 35, and dealt with a couple yrs of such low energy from literally shitting out too much blood, all because my diet was not good and nobody told me how evil it was for my body. Looking back I'm embarrassed I did not catch on earlier, and it's obvious that junk food and processed food and sugary drinks are bad, but I always figured if the FDA approved it, it couldn't be literal poison, right? So so wrong.

I encourage anybody dealing with UC/Chrohns to look deeper into diet and supplements, DM if you want the name of the program that helped me. Through this journey I've discovered there is a lot more people than I realize that have the same issues and it's just not talked about much. There is a direct correlation to rise of processed foods and exploding rates of IBS/IBD that the health professionals simply are not talking about.

TL😀R just cuz FDA says it's not bad, doesn't mean it's good, and DRs are incentivised to sell us long term drugs.

 

[tman87]

This. My faith in modern healthcare has been shaken due to my own experience. (Feel free to skip up you don't like hearing others health problems lol)
As a late teenager, I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. Shitting blood and diarrhea multiple times a day, lost 50 lbs in 3 months, Different bouts of anemia from so much blood loss. After some steroids and antibiotics to get it under control initially, was put on a pretty harmless pill that controlled it for years. Then that quit working, back to same symptoms. Couple more years of doctoring and colonoscopies, trying to figure out another treatment plan that worked. All the while racking up my chances of colon cancer. My GI doc, (whom I respect but believe he is trained to think only in pharmaceutical disciplines) decided it was time to go on a hardcore biological drug. Side effects include: Infertility, Liver damage, Increased risk of lymphoma, increased risk of cardio disease, skin rashs, on and on. Whole big pamphlet to sign off and accept. Throughout the years I had asked at least 5 different specialists if diet had anything to do with it. " No, usually we don't see diet affecting or playing a part in the problem. Some foods may aggravate the symptoms, but we don't know what they are". I was told that yes, this drug is expensive, long term, and will come with adverse side effects eventually, but better than shitting blood and getting colon cancer before 40, right?

Since I was trying to get a woman pregnant at the time, we decided that was a non-starter. Found a "health coach", who told me to stop with the processed foods and energy drinks, put me on about 10 different supplements with no side effects, and my symptoms literally started clearing up in weeks. He suggested I take some dewormer, and I proceeded to shit out visible worms and parasites for weeks. Chicken or egg whether parasites and fungus came first and messed me up or inflamed colon gave them a place to get their start, but I am able to venture more than 5 mins from a bathroom for the first time in years. Of course, this all comes with big disclaimers from the health coach, "NOT FDA APPROVED". FDA would rather approve a biweekly injection to give me liver damage and cancer, trading symptoms I have for worse ones.
I don't blame my doctors for pushing me towards drugs, but it is infuriating that I have had 6-8 colonoscopies before I turned 35, and dealt with a couple yrs of such low energy from literally shitting out too much blood, all because my diet was not good and nobody told me how evil it was for my body. Looking back I'm embarrassed I did not catch on earlier, and it's obvious that junk food and processed food and sugary drinks are bad, but I always figured if the FDA approved it, it couldn't be literal poison, right? So so wrong.

I encourage anybody dealing with UC/Chrohns to look deeper into diet and supplements, DM if you want the name of the program that helped me. Through this journey I've discovered there is a lot more people than I realize that have the same issues and it's just not talked about much. There is a direct correlation to rise of processed foods and exploding rates of IBS/IBD that the health professionals simply are not talking about.

TL😀R just cuz FDA says it's not bad, doesn't mean it's good, and DRs are incentivised to sell us long term drugs.

Good info. And yes, diet - what you eat - makes a huge difference in calming Crohn's/UC. The steroids and other drugs they give you can often cause more long term issues than is worth it.

What was the de-wormer you used? Was it something you bought online or was it a script? I had a buddy with bad Crohn's, and he has tried a ton of different ways of combating it. One of the things he does is literally eat worms/parasites, as that was something his research said could help. I was skeptical, and should follow up with him on how/if that helped, although he and I had a falling out a few years ago, so I probably won't.

 

[betsch]

I can't tell you how much Ozempic/Mounjaro/Zepbound etc we fill. It is ridiculous. Looks great for my sales, but destroys the profit margin.

 

[greybeardedchild]

Good info. And yes, diet - what you eat - makes a huge difference in calming Crohn's/UC. The steroids and other drugs they give you can often cause more long term issues than is worth it.

What was the de-wormer you used? Was it something you bought online or was it a script? I had a buddy with bad Crohn's, and he has tried a ton of different ways of combating it. One of the things he does is literally eat worms/parasites, as that was something his research said could help. I was skeptical, and should follow up with him on how/if that helped, although he and I had a falling out a few years ago, so I probably won't.

The dewormer I used is more of a veterinarian staple, har har. Also, one of the big steps up I took was with Nystatin, typically used as an oral antifungal for people with suppressed immune systems on chemo. I had to get a prescription for that one, and my Dr about looked at me crosseyed, but eventually said what the hell, it's not gonna do nothing, but it can't hurt you lol.
Look I get it. I'm not tryna be a hippy back to the earth eastern medicine type of fella, and I still my go in for chemo if/when I get cancer. 3 years ago I would have laughed you out of the room if you told me the stuff I believe in now. I believe in good bile flow, lymph node drainage etc (things you can work on at home for nearly free) for staying healthy.
Don't wanna get kicked into the Hy-Vee parking lot here, so I'll hold my tongue on the things people like RFK Jr are advocating for. But that train of thought is what I needed to get healthy, and I personally need to supplement my nutrient intake with stuff like Zinc, magnesium, and vitamins to make up for our food supply not having these items like they did even 60 yrs ago.

 

[tman87]

The dewormer I used is more of a veterinarian staple, har har. Also, one of the big steps up I took was with Nystatin, typically used as an oral antifungal for people with suppressed immune systems on chemo. I had to get a prescription for that one, and my Dr about looked at me crosseyed, but eventually said what the hell, it's not gonna do nothing, but it can't hurt you lol.
Look I get it. I'm not tryna be a hippy back to the earth eastern medicine type of fella, and I still my go in for chemo if/when I get cancer. 3 years ago I would have laughed you out of the room if you told me the stuff I believe in now. I believe in good bile flow, lymph node drainage etc (things you can work on at home for nearly free) for staying healthy.
Don't wanna get kicked into the Hy-Vee parking lot here, so I'll hold my tongue on the things people like RFK Jr are advocating for. But that train of thought is what I needed to get healthy, and I personally need to supplement my nutrient intake with stuff like Zinc, magnesium, and vitamins to make up for our food supply not having these items like they did even 60 yrs ago.

Good info again. I was wondering if it was vet dewormer. Makes sense. I have heard horror stories from nurses about patients with tape worms/parasites. Not that I think I have any of that, but taking a dewormer would let one find out!

Using supplements and dietary changes isn't hippy medicine, although some would claim it is. Almost all of our maladies could be prevented or fixed by dietary and nutritional changes/improvements. Sometimes a med is simply needed, though. It is my opinion, that short of genetic ailments/diseases, most of our health issues would be cut way down if we just ate reasonably healthy and were reasonably physically active.

 

[greybeardedchild]

Good info again. I was wondering if it was vet dewormer. Makes sense. I have heard horror stories from nurses about patients with tape worms/parasites. Not that I think I have any of that, but taking a dewormer would let one find out!

Using supplements and dietary changes isn't hippy medicine, although some would claim it is. Almost all of our maladies could be prevented or fixed by dietary and nutritional changes/improvements. Sometimes a med is simply needed, though. It is my opinion, that short of genetic ailments/diseases, most of our health issues would be cut way down if we just ate reasonably healthy and were reasonably physically active.

Agree. Truly disgusted revolted, and felt violated by the strings and clumps of foreign objects I seen in the toilet bowl after taking the stuff, some up to 24" long lol. And that's just the stuff visible. Apparently nearly everyone has some sort of microscopic gut parasites and worms but they won't affect people to my severity of you have a healthy immune system. Fatigue and brain fog are good signs that you have something going on.
I still see value in Western Medicine, and appreciate the physicians that have dedicated their lives to helping people. No judgement on them.

My problems specifically, can probably be traced to a (now sidelined) round of antibiotics I took as a young teen, compounded by diet and travel to undeveloped countries, with genetics playing a small part.

Why would I have been prescribed these antibiotics if my parents had to sign a paper absolving the Dr, pharmacist, and drug maker of any liability arising from future gut issues? Why did the Dr need to treat these future gut issues with a drug to further suppress my immune system? Drugs on drugs on drugs, treating symptoms instead of getting to the root cause.


When you hear there are literally thousands of big pharma and "big food" lobbyists to the 500 or 600 lawmakers in D.C., starts to make you question if your best interests are really in mind lol. Feels like somebody is out there making money on the backs of Americans lack of health.

 

[Cash68847]

Agree. Truly disgusted revolted, and felt violated by the strings and clumps of foreign objects I seen in the toilet bowl after taking the stuff, some up to 24" long lol. And that's just the stuff visible. Apparently nearly everyone has some sort of microscopic gut parasites and worms but they won't affect people to my severity of you have a healthy immune system. Fatigue and brain fog are good signs that you have something going on.
I still see value in Western Medicine, and appreciate the physicians that have dedicated their lives to helping people. No judgement on them.

My problems specifically, can probably be traced to a (now sidelined) round of antibiotics I took as a young teen, compounded by diet and travel to undeveloped countries, with genetics playing a small part.

Why would I have been prescribed these antibiotics if my parents had to sign a paper absolving the Dr, pharmacist, and drug maker of any liability arising from future gut issues? Why did the Dr need to treat these future gut issues with a drug to further suppress my immune system? Drugs on drugs on drugs, treating symptoms instead of getting to the root cause.


When you hear there are literally thousands of big pharma and "big food" lobbyists to the 500 or 600 lawmakers in D.C., starts to make you question if your best interests are really in mind lol. Feels like somebody is out there making money on the backs of Americans lack of health.

The people who work at the fda and cdc usually go to work for a big pharma company or vice versa. Like I said it’s a big circle jerk. 99 percent of the time if you follow the money it will give you the answer. I honestly didn’t think about any of the food or drug stuff before Covid, but the way the government handled the whole situation opened my eyes to their bullshit. I think most doctors at the local level mean well, but they need to be more skeptical of those at the top making decisions.

 

[HuskerPAC]

And our healthcare system is a joke regarding trying to make people healthy. It’s a big circle jerk between the processed foods company and big pharma. People eat the shitty food and they give you a pill or shot to manage your shitty choices. They don’t like talking about preventative healthcare like they should. I get how some people get wrapped into eating shit foods. It’s cheaper and people don’t have the time and money in most cases to buy and eat the right foods.

Lol, we talk about it. People don’t listen and do what they want. Do you think we tell people to smoke too? You can give all of the best advice in the world to patients but very few actually listen and incorporate that advice into their lives.

 

[Ext. 55]

We are one post away from this turning into Covid shots, big pharma, government control thread.

 

[greybeardedchild]

We are one post away from this turning into Covid shots, big pharma, government control thread.

I'm shutting up now, and want to apologize for my part in that 😂 Want to reiterate my thanks to physicians and healthcare providers who are devoted to helping people, and I know there are lots of really great Drs out there.

 

[tman87]

Agree. Truly disgusted revolted, and felt violated by the strings and clumps of foreign objects I seen in the toilet bowl after taking the stuff, some up to 24" long lol. And that's just the stuff visible. Apparently nearly everyone has some sort of microscopic gut parasites and worms but they won't affect people to my severity of you have a healthy immune system. Fatigue and brain fog are good signs that you have something going on.
I still see value in Western Medicine, and appreciate the physicians that have dedicated their lives to helping people. No judgement on them.

My problems specifically, can probably be traced to a (now sidelined) round of antibiotics I took as a young teen, compounded by diet and travel to undeveloped countries, with genetics playing a small part.

Why would I have been prescribed these antibiotics if my parents had to sign a paper absolving the Dr, pharmacist, and drug maker of any liability arising from future gut issues? Why did the Dr need to treat these future gut issues with a drug to further suppress my immune system? Drugs on drugs on drugs, treating symptoms instead of getting to the root cause.


When you hear there are literally thousands of big pharma and "big food" lobbyists to the 500 or 600 lawmakers in D.C., starts to make you question if your best interests are really in mind lol. Feels like somebody is out there making money on the backs of Americans lack of health.

Now you have me wanting to take a dewormer, lol. Not to see gross "shit", but to get rid of said gross shit living inside your gut if it is there. I've been going through an very stressful time, and fatigue and even brain fog, plus simply just not recovering physically like I usually do, have me concerned.

3 years ago, I snapped (another) bicep tendon, and during the MRI they found my rotator cuff was mostly gone, laybrum (purpose spelling that wrong) torn and AC joint not good (which is common). So they were supposed to do all the surgery via scope, but 5.5 hours later of surgery, or longer when I finally was conscious, I find out they cut a 5" long incision to do the rotator cuff part. The surgeon had a planned month vacation out of the country right after my surgery, so I only got to see his PA in follow up visits. Long story short, the 5" incision got badly infected, which the type of infection they said can basically only get there because they opened it up so widely during surgery. The PA downplayed my concerns, put me on a mild anti-biotic. But the infection got so bad very quickly I went back in to the PA. She again put me on a double dose of oral anti-biotics. Wasn't helping.

Surgeon gets back from vacation, and the infection is so bad I go in the day he got back. He is a stoic fella, and as he is looking at my shoulder, he turns around not saying a word, types a bit on his laptop, then turns around and says I have to have emergency clean out surgery the next morning. I was in the hospital 5 straight days after the clean out surgery.

They send me to an infectious disease specialist (a famous actors brother actually - independence day movie), and he puts me on 2 straight months of home IV. 5 hours a day of home IV, with two very strong anti-biotics via IV. One was called the "antibiotic of last resort" (can't remember the actual name), and the other was also one of the strongest made. I obviously had a pic line in to do the IV during this time.

After the IV therapy, this doc put me on very strong doses of multiple oral antibiotics for 6 months. Where I am going with this is - what in the hell did that do to my gut microbes? I took pro biotics for at least a year after this, but really there was no follow up or instructions on what to do after the antibiotics.

Well, that was not so short of telling that situation. But since then, my body has not been the same, and I have often wondered if all these strong antibiotics messed me up. I am going to research this well now.

I appreciate all your info - very good stuff!

 

[HuskerPAC]

I'm shutting up now, and want to apologize for my part in that 😂 Want to reiterate my thanks to physicians and healthcare providers who are devoted to helping people, and I know there are lots of really great Drs out there.

Haha I just got off of an 87 hour ER call shift because of the holiday. I might be a bit defensive right now.

 

[IM4NUALWAYS]

Exa

They don’t even know how it works yet. Should be interesting in a few years with the side effects.

I actually told my Ex when I was married to her the same thing. What do you think this is going to do to you 10 years from now. Vanity wins.

She used it and looks like a slumped over weak ass mess now. So sad too.

 

[Jim14510]

Now you have me wanting to take a dewormer, lol.

I was thinking same thing.

 

[greybeardedchild]

I was thinking same thing.

Listen, I'm not a doctor, and you are not a horse! Lol.