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POLL Which coaching search was a bigger shit show?

Which Coaching Search Was A Bigger Shit Show

  • Nebraska(Steve Pederson)

    Votes: 38 37.3%

  • Penn State(Pat Kraft)

    Votes: 64 62.7%
  • Total voters
    102
BIGSTICK67 said:
Great post. Damage is much greater from a money, roster, stability and PR perspective now-a-days.
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It's hurting their image for sure.

However just to be a that guy....it can get remedied by whoever they hire. And can be remedied quickly.

Callahan was our 54th choice but the guy was a hell of a HC and immediately started showing he was an elite recruiter. The thing that stopped NU from being elite was Kevin Cosgrove....it was not the 41 day HC search.

As much as I want PSU to experience 20 yrs of purgatory, they'll hire someone who's good. And he'll have full opportunity to do what Callahan did here (with the Cosgrove thing).

So all of this feels like permanent damage to PSU right now but the reality is, it's not. Say they hire Brohm. What Brohm does in 4 yrs will be dependent on him, it will not be affected by this PR hit etc. And this is coming from a guy who'd love to see PSU go 2-10 for next 50 yrs.
 
HerbRedman said:
It's hurting their image for sure.

However just to be a that guy....it can get remedied by whoever they hire. And can be remedied quickly.

Callahan was our 54th choice but the guy was a hell of a HC and immediately started showing he was an elite recruiter. The thing that stopped NU from being elite was Kevin Cosgrove....it was not the 41 day HC search.

As much as I want PSU to experience 20 yrs of purgatory, they'll hire someone who's good. And he'll have full opportunity to do what Callahan did here (with the Cosgrove thing).

So all of this feels like permanent damage to PSU right now but the reality is, it's not. Say they hire Brohm. What Brohm does in 4 yrs will be dependent on him, it will not be affected by this PR hit etc. And this is coming from a guy who'd love to see PSU go 2-10 for next 50 yrs.
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I don't think it's permanent but the potential for short term damage is magnified now vs. 25 years ago
 
djw004 said:
Remember John Currie at Tennessee? The fiasco of Schiano, Leach, and others that got him fired 10 months in?

Got 2+ million to leave after botching that hiring cycle
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I had kind of forgotten about that.

He lines Schiano up thinking he’d just hit a home run, it leaks and the fan base has a meltdown.

I’ve got a buddy who’s a Tennessee fan and his rationale for thinking Schiano wouldn’t work in Knoxville sounded an awful lot like a bunch of our fans post Osborne who thought anyone not in the Nebraska lineage would destroy the program.
 
HerbRedman said:
It's hurting their image for sure.

However just to be a that guy....it can get remedied by whoever they hire. And can be remedied quickly.

Callahan was our 54th choice but the guy was a hell of a HC and immediately started showing he was an elite recruiter. The thing that stopped NU from being elite was Kevin Cosgrove....it was not the 41 day HC search.

As much as I want PSU to experience 20 yrs of purgatory, they'll hire someone who's good. And he'll have full opportunity to do what Callahan did here (with the Cosgrove thing).

So all of this feels like permanent damage to PSU right now but the reality is, it's not. Say they hire Brohm. What Brohm does in 4 yrs will be dependent on him, it will not be affected by this PR hit etc. And this is coming from a guy who'd love to see PSU go 2-10 for next 50 yrs.
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This is pretty much why I took the stance that despite the elevated social/electronic media noise surrounding their search, we still look dumber than Penn State. Time is why. They’re still in the heat of the search, don’t know who’s going to be their Houston Nutt or their Bill Callahan and definitely don’t know what it is going to do to the on the field product for the next few years. Whoever lands in Happy Valley will have a short lease and could make this a much more epic meltdown than Peterson’s debacle. We won’t know for at least a few years.
 
Penn State just isn't as attractive of a job in the NIL era imo. Their biggest strength was being near a hotbed of talent in Pennsylvania and Ohio, but that doesn't carry as much weight when you can just write checks to get players. They're in the middle of nowhere, difficult to travel to, and they can say what they want, but the rape scandal will follow them forever.

That said, Lavar Arrington continues to insist on his show that their candidate is still available and the plan is still in place, indicating their lead candidate is still in the playoff hunt and they are allowing him to play it out.

Personally, I think they overplayed their hand.
 
Tell_Sackett said:
Penn State just isn't as attractive of a job in the NIL era imo. Their biggest strength was being near a hotbed of talent in Pennsylvania and Ohio, but that doesn't carry as much weight when you can just write checks to get players. They're in the middle of nowhere, difficult to travel to, and they can say what they want, but the rape scandal will follow them forever.

That said, Lavar Arrington continues to insist on his show that their candidate is still available and the plan is still in place, indicating their lead candidate is still in the playoff hunt and they are allowing him to play it out.

Personally, I think they overplayed their hand.
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Just so weird on their end, based on Lavar A it can only really be Hartline? I highly doubt it is DeBoer, Freeman, or Venables...
 
Tell_Sackett said:
Penn State just isn't as attractive of a job in the NIL era imo. Their biggest strength was being near a hotbed of talent in Pennsylvania and Ohio, but that doesn't carry as much weight when you can just write checks to get players. They're in the middle of nowhere, difficult to travel to, and they can say what they want, but the rape scandal will follow them forever.

That said, Lavar Arrington continues to insist on his show that their candidate is still available and the plan is still in place, indicating their lead candidate is still in the playoff hunt and they are allowing him to play it out.

Personally, I think they overplayed their hand.
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Then why are they actively pursuing others? Thats what I can’t rationalize here. If your guy is in the bag but just can’t say it yet, you’re not getting embarrassed by Jabba the Hut from BYU and putting out that Brohm is your sure fire safety valve. You’re just letting people wonder and staying quiet until you can announce…
 
TampaBaySkers said:
Rhule could accept now that his seat is warming
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Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
realbp said:
I'm not interested in trying to find a coach in the next couple of years, especially this year. FSU has basically punted on next season because the coaching carousel was too crowded.
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Yeah I'm no where close to far enough out on Rhule that I want to jump into a now late coaching search
 
ShortSideOption said:
Penn State firing James Franklin in October and not having a coach on signing day in December is somehow worse. How do you not have someone lined up and ready to go?
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They are the first P4 team to sign 0 players on signing say

And their current players are being tempered with while they fall farther behind in signing a portal class. Unless they hire sometime who brings a roster with him, they are already sacrificing the 2026 season
 
I’ll wait to see who they end up with. Nebraska hired a coach that no one wanted, had bookend losing seasons (the first losing seasons NU had in decades), got fired and the program has not been the same since.

PSU could take a chance on a good OC. I have lost track of things the past few days, but have they given Brian Hartline a shot? If they’ve struck out on everyone else he’s a hell of a contingency.
 
I think the Penn State look is worse, simply because of where were they were at 3 months ago, compared to where we were when it happened. Obviously not great for them to lose how they did at the beginning of this year, but it's not like they were on some 2-3 skid of non relevance. Our descent was pretty clear at the time when it was happening. Still the wrong decision to fire Solich, in hindsight, but the descent from what was, was clear. Firing Franklin when they did would be comparable to firing Solich days after the 01 Natty.
 
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