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Herbie said:
RBs have a short life span and high injury rate.
If he gets good advice he’s gone and takes the guaranteed money
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NIL/rev share is also guaranteed money. Estimates of what he's getting there are 200k-600k. Would likely increase next year.

He has a much higher value to Nebraska than he will to an NFL team & would command a greater % of our payout. 3rd-5th round pick will have a guaranteed signing bonus from 250k-1.5 mil, but nothing else in their deal guaranteed. His upside there is making a 53 man roster multiple years & getting to a second contract.

He might go, and I wouldn't fault him if he did, but staying in college another year is potentially a higher floor than the draft route.
 
2010sarenevercomingback said:
NIL/rev share is also guaranteed money. Estimates of what he's getting there are 200k-600k. Would likely increase next year.

He has a much higher value to Nebraska than he will to an NFL team & would command a greater % of our payout. 3rd-5th round pick will have a guaranteed signing bonus from 250k-1.5 mil, but nothing else in their deal guaranteed. His upside there is making a 53 man roster multiple years & getting to a second contract.

He might go, and I wouldn't fault him if he did, but staying in college another year is potentially a higher floor than the draft route.
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If you base it off cam, he’d need just north of 1 mil nil to equal his guaranteed money.
Cam will also make another 645k this season even tho he broke his ankle.

So his career min is 1.65 million.

So that would be a more realistic minimum nil deal he’d need.

Then you go to Nebraska. Nebraska has zero business paying that much to an rb for nil
 
Bootleg11 said:
Gotta spend to keep those skill guys though.

But yeah I get where you're coming from.

Hopefully they can talk some low level OT/DT to portal that can actually play in the Big 10. But really the key to a good line is recruiting high star kids out of high school, develop and pay to retain them. The best OL and interior DL players don't ever portal.

So yes they need to hit on 2 kids in the portal at OT and probably 1 or 2 at DT. But that is very very hard to do. They also need to pay up on the high school front to get highly rated kids.
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Top 10 OL coming into the season (not trying to argue rankings - and some have probably performed less than expected, I don't know...so don't argue the 10 haha) Almost all have 5 guys that started as freshman or Transferred in - or some combination of both. One thing is for sure, other than ND who last year saw all of their depth guys leave, about 30+ GP per starter is the minimum. Experience is key - but it seems that the biggest thing these lines do is not miss on their evals to be having either high number of transfers all starting or so many guys starting as freshmen.

I believe Nebraska is consistently whiffing on evals across our lines.

SCHOOLAVG GAMES PLAYED# of TRANSFERS STARTINGNOTES
Alabama29.42
Utah37.40All 5 played freshmen year
Texas A&M31.82All 5 either transferred in or started as freshmen
Florida34.62All 5 played as RS Fresh or transferred in
Oregon33.84All 5 played as RS Fresh or transferred in
Cockeye31.60
Auburn323
Miami29.834/5 either transferred in or started as freshmen
Notre Dame2004/5 had significant time as Freshmen
Clemson3704/5 Started as Freshmen

I think you see one of a few theories play out across P4:
  1. We recruit out of HS and we develop - we don't even look outside of our own pipeline - and it works
  2. We primarily recruit out of HS and we develop - but we also take a shot on some of the consensus top OL/DL in the portal
  3. We recruit 4* guys and get them but we can't develop well enough to turn them into a solid unit - we NEED portal help until we figure out or have enough time to develop our young guys
  4. Fuck it - gimme them portal boys
And I rank us at #3. The biggest issue is, there SEEMS to be a disconnect from this idea of "we grow and develop" - I was SHOCKED at how many of these top lines have 4 or 5 guys that started/played as Freshmen/RS Freshmen. It appears you show up and play. Which to me would point to evaluation...
 
Herbie said:
If you base it off cam, he’d need just north of 1 mil nil to equal his guaranteed money.
Cam will also make another 645k this season even tho he broke his ankle.

So his career min is 1.65 million.

So that would be a more realistic minimum nil deal he’d need.

Then you go to Nebraska. Nebraska has zero business paying that much to an rb for nil
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I love EJ, but if he gets a contract that matches Skattebo's, I will poop in a red solo cup & eat it on a livestream.
 
djw004 said:
Top 10 OL coming into the season (not trying to argue rankings - and some have probably performed less than expected, I don't know...so don't argue the 10 haha) Almost all have 5 guys that started as freshman or Transferred in - or some combination of both. One thing is for sure, other than ND who last year saw all of their depth guys leave, about 30+ GP per starter is the minimum. Experience is key - but it seems that the biggest thing these lines do is not miss on their evals to be having either high number of transfers all starting or so many guys starting as freshmen.

I believe Nebraska is consistently whiffing on evals across our lines.

SCHOOLAVG GAMES PLAYED# of TRANSFERS STARTINGNOTES
Alabama29.42
Utah37.40All 5 played freshmen year
Texas A&M31.82All 5 either transferred in or started as freshmen
Florida34.62All 5 played as RS Fresh or transferred in
Oregon33.84All 5 played as RS Fresh or transferred in
Cockeye31.60
Auburn323
Miami29.834/5 either transferred in or started as freshmen
Notre Dame2004/5 had significant time as Freshmen
Clemson3704/5 Started as Freshmen

I think you see one of a few theories play out across P4:
  1. We recruit out of HS and we develop - we don't even look outside of our own pipeline - and it works
  2. We primarily recruit out of HS and we develop - but we also take a shot on some of the consensus top OL/DL in the portal
  3. We recruit 4* guys and get them but we can't develop well enough to turn them into a solid unit - we NEED portal help until we figure out or have enough time to develop our young guys
  4. Fuck it - gimme them portal boys
And I rank us at #3. The biggest issue is, there SEEMS to be a disconnect from this idea of "we grow and develop" - I was SHOCKED at how many of these top lines have 4 or 5 guys that started/played as Freshmen/RS Freshmen. It appears you show up and play. Which to me would point to evaluation...
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Fun Fact @Bootleg11 :

I just did this for Nebraska's Line (assuming we count Corcoran as a starter - which adds a LOT of games played) and I'd assume we are quite an anomaly:

Avg Games Played: 43.8 (with Gottula it's 39)
Transfers In: 2

All 5 Played young or transferred in

So - why, when we are following the model of the top 10 lines is our line consistently a weakness?

I'd say that points even more to evaluation and coaching. @slattimer - what say you?
 
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djw004 said:
Fun Fact @Bootleg11 :

I just did this for Nebraska's Line (assuming we count Corcoran as a starter - which adds a LOT of games played) and I'd assume we are quite an anomaly:

Avg Games Played: 43.8
Transfers In: 2

All 5 Played young or transferred in

So - why, when we are following the model of the top 10 lines is our line consistently a weakness?

I'd say that points even more to evaluation and coaching.
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IMO, OL is one of the places where you have to be a blue chip recruit to come in & play right away. If you don't have those measurables, you won't be ready for trench warfare right away. And those top schools are the ones pulling in the blue chip linemen that have the potential to be contributors as true freshmen.

My guess is that if you looked at schools who weren't pulling in those top tier guys, you'd see a lot more of their recruits being backups for a year or more before being in the regular rotation.
 
2010sarenevercomingback said:
IMO, OL is one of the places where you have to be a blue chip recruit to come in & play right away. If you don't have those measurables, you won't be ready for trench warfare right away. And those top schools are the ones pulling in the blue chip linemen that have the potential to be contributors as true freshmen.

My guess is that if you looked at schools who weren't pulling in those top tier guys, you'd see a lot more of their recruits being backups for a year or more before being in the regular rotation.
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that's what I expected also - but I'd call us a place NOT pulling in top tier guys - 4* sure, but not the top of the top

Corcoran
Evans
Gottula
Lutovsky

All played significant time their RS Fresh or Fresh year. So, is it that the places like us playing guys early is because we don't have the depth and we HAVE to play them, vs places like, say Cockeye, where they played early because they beat someone solid out of a spot? We don't seem to recruit over our Line as well as others?
 
djw004 said:
that's what I expected also - but I'd call us a place NOT pulling in top tier guys - 4* sure, but not the top of the top

Corcoran
Evans
Gottula
Lutovsky

All played significant time their RS Fresh or Fresh year. So, is it that the places like us playing guys early is because we don't have the depth and we HAVE to play them, vs places like, say Cockeye, where they played early because they beat someone solid out of a spot? We don't seem to recruit over our Line as well as others?
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Our OL depth was absolutely atrocious until very recently, due to Frost's criminal neglect of that room. In 2022 we had just 9 scholarship guys return across the entire OL, with I believe 5 of them upperclassmen, so even pumping in recruits at max capacity, we haven't been able to get to a reasonable scholarship distribution there until this year.

(I went through some of the roster progression here.)

We absolutely have to figure some things out on OL, but I think some people underestimate just how bad the situation was, and how long the downstream effects kept us at a deficit.
 
djw004 said:
Fun Fact @Bootleg11 :

I just did this for Nebraska's Line (assuming we count Corcoran as a starter - which adds a LOT of games played) and I'd assume we are quite an anomaly:

Avg Games Played: 43.8 (with Gottula it's 39)
Transfers In: 2

All 5 Played young or transferred in

So - why, when we are following the model of the top 10 lines is our line consistently a weakness?

I'd say that points even more to evaluation and coaching. @slattimer - what say you?
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Who can you point to that develops very good offensive lines without recruiting highly rated kids out of high school? You can look in the Big 10...Cockeye, Illinois, Minnesota. In the Big 12 - Kansas State, although they are a little down this year. I don't know what those guys are doing but Nebraska should probably ask.

I know Illinois hit big on a couple of transfers last year that are back this year. Specifically the left tackle maybe?

Does anybody do that in the SEC? Vandy is more of a scheme thing than a great OL thing.

The best 3 OLs in the country this year are probably Cockeye, Miami and Texas A&M. Cockeye development. A&M and Miami signed highly rated kids.
 
2010sarenevercomingback said:
Our OL depth was absolutely atrocious until very recently, due to Frost's criminal neglect of that room. In 2022 we had just 9 scholarship guys return across the entire OL, with I believe 5 of them upperclassmen, so even pumping in recruits at max capacity, we haven't been able to get to a reasonable scholarship distribution there until this year.

(I went through some of the roster progression here.)

We absolutely have to figure some things out on OL, but I think some people underestimate just how bad the situation was, and how long the downstream effects kept us at a deficit.
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In this era of football it's just really hard to swallow the "you have no idea how bad it was" stuff. Indiana was 3-9 (1-8) in 2023, 4-8 the year before that. They were in worse or as bad of shape as Nebraska.

Georgia Tech had a 1st year head coach 3 years ago, they seemed to figure it out.

They have completely overestimated and under developed their personnel on both sides of the line of scrimmage and it has come back to bite them this year.

You have to go overspend now on any OT/DT that is available in the portal that is decent. You have to overspend because everybody is looking for tackles in the portal and there aren't many that are good enough to play in the Big 10.

And you have to take a long, long, long, long look at your OL coach.
 
2010sarenevercomingback said:
Our OL depth was absolutely atrocious until very recently, due to Frost's criminal neglect of that room. In 2022 we had just 9 scholarship guys return across the entire OL, with I believe 5 of them upperclassmen, so even pumping in recruits at max capacity, we haven't been able to get to a reasonable scholarship distribution there until this year.

(I went through some of the roster progression here.)

We absolutely have to figure some things out on OL, but I think some people underestimate just how bad the situation was, and how long the downstream effects kept us at a deficit.
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Even Frost inherited a pile of shit from Mike Cavanaugh's very dubious OL recruiting.

It's been a decade long vicious cycle of playing dudes way before they've been ready and hoping they can dig out of that later
 
Cornicator said:
Its because Nebraska is 12th Nationally in total defense, allowing less than 20 ppg, has a positive Turnover margin, and quality specialty teams.

If this was a Frost team, they would be 2-7 right now.
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Ari Wasserman actually said it best. Something along the lines of, "Look at Saturdays game. That team is playing much better football than 3+ years ago". I agree with him. If Dylan doesn't go down then we probably win that game by double digits.
 
Bootleg11 said:
In this era of football it's just really hard to swallow the "you have no idea how bad it was" stuff. Indiana was 3-9 (1-8) in 2023, 4-8 the year before that. They were in worse or as bad of shape as Nebraska.
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There are 9,738 failed turnarounds for every 1 Indiana who catches overnight success lightning in a bottle.

Yes, we have to do better, but it rarely happens (particularly on the lines) without a buildup.

LSU had the top portal class last year & bought 3 of their 4 starting DLs & 2 of their 5 starting OLs, & just bombed out & fired their coach. The quick roster flip is not a panacea.
 
2010sarenevercomingback said:
There are 9,738 failed turnarounds for every 1 Indiana who catches overnight success lightning in a bottle.

Yes, we have to do better, but it rarely happens (particularly on the lines) without a buildup.

LSU had the top portal class last year & bought 3 of their 4 starting DLs & 2 of their 5 starting OLs, & just bombed out & fired their coach. The quick roster flip is not a panacea.
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Indiana.... coaches, being compared to and fired because of, since 2024.
 
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