Baron Winnebago said:

Yes

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Blakejc said:

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

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Blakejc said:

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

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Blakejc said:

Ty and Nash make a difference, but I don’t think this defense would be as bad at rush D if White were coaching. They’d be giving up more passing yards, though.

Side tangent:

Problem is, talk smack on James Williams all you want, but he had 5 sacks in about 100 snaps. MJ Sherman had 3.5 sacks. John Bullock had 4 sacks. Ty and Nash combined for 9 sacks. And our defense wasn’t even elite at sacking the qb last year.

So how do you replace it? They were resigned to replacing Ty and Nash’s production elsewhere I.e., Jack, LB, and DE. But we were told, by Butler, this D would be aggressive and put players in a position to do what they do best. Shavers was an example Butler used as someone they needed to let rush the passer because that’s what he’s best at.

Guess how many sacks Shavers has? Zero.

Dasan McCollough has 2 sacks. He’s probably on pace to replace Sherman’s production. Problem is he leads our team in sacks!

MWT and Nwaneri have 1.5 each.

Everyone else has 1 or .5.

Only 12 total sacks through 8 games. 111th in the country. To match last years pace we should be at 20.

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ShortSideOption said:

Two excellent hires by Rhule with Ekeler and Holgo IMO, I would love to see where we would be in 2025 if we had those caliber of hires from the beginning.

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Flabio said:

Drop off due to TW leaving or losing Ty and Nash?

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Irv said:

I really don’t understand how we’re calling Holgorsen an excellent hire at this point.

He’s marginally better than Satterfield, but there are a ton of guys that clear that bar.

I think the alleged quality of his hire is down to name recognition.

OC is a position we could pretty clearly upgrade at.

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Blakejc said:

Haha, yet his performance last year in ~100 snaps is outperforming any of our current starters who will end up with 4x as many snaps. So what’s that say?

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Blakejc said:

Agreed, we’ve done nothing to replace their production. And I feel like Shavers should have about 4 sacks this year if he was being utilized the way Butler said he would be. Something ain’t right there. Same with McColllough. Feels like that dude should have 6 sacks by now. He’s beating his man or rushing free but he’s just not getting home. Maybe that changes these last 4 games?

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Blakejc said:

I don’t think SSO has a vendetta against Butler, but he has been consistent that there’d be a drop off defensively. And he’s right.

White may have done better, but you have to remember Butler changed how we play philosophically. Butler is stopping the pass first, White was trying to stop the run first. Personally, I’d have preferred white’s philosophy against our schedule. We’re avoiding a lot of the elite QB’s in the league this year.

I’d have rather told Underwood he’s got to beat us with his arm. Same with Lindsey from Minnesota. If they hit a bunch of explosive passes then tip your cap, but I know White wouldn’t have given up the 4-5 explosive runs that killed us in those two games.

All that to say, it’s an interesting thought, but Butler is still doing enough to win. Dana is the one who needs to be questioned and pressed. We should’ve rushed for 250 against those guys yesterday. Barney Cotton could’ve figured that out.

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SlumpBuster said:

Holgerson has too much history of knowing what he's doing. I would assume something else is the problem before Holgerson

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Sous Chef said:

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Baron Winnebago said:

It's kind of incredible how good the pass D has been for how bad they've been at pressuring the QB

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Kaladin said:

"All unit power ratings have finally reached steady state. So you can expect less fluctuation week-to-week moving forward."

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Blakejc said:

Haha, yet his performance last year in ~100 snaps is outperforming any of our current starters who will end up with 4x as many snaps. So what’s that say?

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