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OT: Animals I love that aren't domesticated

I lived in SoCal in the late 90s and at that time the Greenies had decided that Mountain Lions were going extinct, so that stopped all the hunts, and made it illegal for virtually any reason to kill one. Naturally the lion population exploded. There were vids of an elementary school in San Bernardino County with Mountain Lions lounging on the roof of the school ......

Horses and hikers being attacked. Lions jumping into yards to steal Fluffy the Dog as a Lunchable. Finally the state reinstated the hunting season on lions .....

The truth about them however is that lions will rarely attack human adults, unless they are running. Or they are children. Lions make smart calculations about prey; how much in energy will this kill cost me, is the juice worth the squeeze.

Cats as a rule have a kill technique that is their favorite; hit the prey from the back with the jaws on the cervical spine so that a quick snap kills the prey from their powerful jaws and shoulder muscles.

Even your little cute kitty at home uses this technique to kill mice and other prey. It is very fast and efficient, but as you can guess it is much harder to do if the prey weighs as much or more than the lion/cat and is strong itself.

FYI one of my favorite videos to watch is domesticated cats in India killing King Cobras .......
I'm afraid we will have the same issue with wolves in Colorado at some point. Someone thought it was a good idea to reintroduce them in Colorado and a majority of the voters agreed not thinking of the long-term effects I guess.

I know that the ranchers to the north of us are already having problems with them killing livestock and it's only a couple years in.

I imagine they will have to add a wolf season eventually, which I'm sure they will be able to cash in on.
 
I'm afraid we will have the same issue with wolves in Colorado at some point. Someone thought it was a good idea to reintroduce them in Colorado and a majority of the voters agreed not thinking of the long-term effects I guess.

I know that the ranchers to the north of us are already having problems with them killing livestock and it's only a couple years in.

I imagine they will have to add a wolf season eventually, which I'm sure they will be able to cash in on.
Amazing how the only group that profits from these ordeals is the government ....
 
Amazing how the only group that profits from these ordeals is the government ....

More like… the gov’t spends our tax dollars to conserve the wolf/mountain lion populations. Then when they inevitably become overpopulated again they charge the public $850 per person to fix the problem they created, that nobody voted for in the 1st place. Ugh
 
Cats almost never attack (for predation purposes) animals/humans that exceed 50% of their own body weight/size. Only a protective mother with cubs or a sick/starving cat will attempt to attack a human of similar size. Under normal circumstances they are extremely cautious and skittish animals.

50% of their body weight is 40 to 100 lbs.

They will kill prey 2+ times their body weight. A human is well within its kill size.

Their main food source is deer and elk which are as big and much bigger than a cat.

They also prey on cattle, especially calves.
 
50% of their body weight is 40 to 100 lbs.

They will kill prey 2+ times their body weight. A human is well within its kill size.

Their main food source is deer and elk which are as big and much bigger than a cat.

They also prey on cattle, especially calves.

Yes, but they often try to take young/adolescent deer. But yes they take down full grown deer. It’s learned behavior, they learned when they were young that deer are a safe(er) target with little ability to injure them during the attack/predation. They also learned that most other large animals are not ideal prey. Wolves, humans, buffalo, bears, horses, cattle etc… are more risky and avoided. There’s a reason we have very few mountain lion attacks, they do happen, but they are very rare unlike deer.
 
I'm afraid we will have the same issue with wolves in Colorado at some point. Someone thought it was a good idea to reintroduce them in Colorado and a majority of the voters agreed not thinking of the long-term effects I guess.

I know that the ranchers to the north of us are already having problems with them killing livestock and it's only a couple years in.

I imagine they will have to add a wolf season eventually, which I'm sure they will be able to cash in on.

I left Colorado almost 20 years ago when the conversation was just starting to heat up regarding reintroduction of wolves.

Part of the reason it got legs back them was overpopulation of both deer and elk herds. No natural predation to speak of and I don’t remember the timeframe, but a ‘decrease’ in issuance of hunting licenses. I found that to be odd that the population would double over a period of time and in state hunting license issuance would decrease fairly substantially. I understand most of the influx of residents were from California or the East Coast, and a fair number of us who used to hunt in Colorado left, but I’d have thought it would have at least remained static.

I really didn’t take a stance on the wolves one way or another, but thought it odd that people actually thought reintroduction wouldn’t lead to loss of livestock. There was even talk back then that the State would reimburse ranchers who lost livestock to wolves to help rally support for the move. It didn’t happen until ’22 or ’23, so obviously it was still an uphill fight.

As far as wolf season, never is a long time, but I highly doubt a now progressive state like Colorado would every issue wolf tags. If they have a problem animal, they’ll have a State Game & Fish hunter take it out. As quietly as possible.
 
Those looked like ‘I’m shitting my pants over here’ misses to me.

This is one of those times where it makes a lot of sense not to use your phone to record something and keep both hands on your weapon. But no….need….to….update….that….Facebook page.
Exactly what I was thinking.

He might have been recording to show that it was necessary to shoot too.
 
Exactly what I was thinking.

He might have been recording to show that it was necessary to shoot too.

Fair, and I have first hand experience with something similar.

I lost my hunting privileges in Colorado for a year for killing a black bear out of season with a .45ACP. It was summer and the bear was trying to get into our tent. I didn’t have any other firearm choices at hand, nor did I know Colorado had a law requiring the killing of a bear by handgun be done with nothing smaller than a .41 Remington Magnum. I assume that’s still on the books. This was before iPhones or even cell phones for that matter, so I didn’t have the recording option. My dumb honest ass reported it to the game warden, because I thought it was the right thing to do on a variety of levels. The fine was dropped to as low as they could go ($50), but I still couldn’t pull a hunting license for 12 months.

I guess that’s better than a funeral or a trip to the ER. I get that they don’t want people killing animals they do dumb shit with and actually create the dangerous situation, but I still felt like the fine and suspension was a bit much.
 
I'm afraid we will have the same issue with wolves in Colorado at some point. Someone thought it was a good idea to reintroduce them in Colorado and a majority of the voters agreed not thinking of the long-term effects I guess.

I know that the ranchers to the north of us are already having problems with them killing livestock and it's only a couple years in.

I imagine they will have to add a wolf season eventually, which I'm sure they will be able to cash in on.
Wolves are also out of control in northern MN and creeping south. A lot of buddies have deer property in the lakes region or further north and a lot of their properties have had population reductions, some guys have said 80% or more.
 
Those looked like ‘I’m shitting my pants over here’ misses to me.

This is one of those times where it makes a lot of sense not to use your phone to record something and keep both hands on your weapon. But no….need….to….update….that….Facebook page.

Well yeah, he died. But he got it all on camera, 1.3 million views.”
 
Wolves are also out of control in northern MN and creeping south. A lot of buddies have deer property in the lakes region or further north and a lot of their properties have had population reductions, some guys have said 80% or more.
There was one shot in Brainard, NE, oh, about 8 years ago or so.
 
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