Maintaining the 105

[djw004]

I am hoping someone here will respond and say "no that's already covered by...fill in the blank..." But one discussion I was having last week was around the concept of keeping the 105 filled throughout a season.

In the NFL you have practice squads and a pool of unsigned free agents that can come and go to/from a roster throughout the season to maintain their 53 man limit. But in NCAA with having to be enrolled in the school, this idea of just "picking up a guy" midseason is not a possiblity.

If I understand this correctly, and there's not a caveat that provides a way to maintain a full 105, then one wild idea I had is seeing schools offer a Club Football option which will essentially be their walk-on/feeder program, just segmented off (those things italicized are bullshit ways to frame having the program):

• Club teams will offer "Wellness and Activity" scholarships to those that were formerly walk ons that promote health and wellness on their college campus
• Former walk-on level players will move to the club team which is coached by someone hired and installed by the school's Head Coach. There will be contininuity of concepts and principles taught at the Club level to make for relativity quick transition to the active 105. You can't probably justify large contracts - but maybe your recruiting staff (who are seemingly becoming aspiring coaches) volunteers to coach and their salaries just so happen to simultaneously increase a bit. More concerned about fundamentals and install of the active 105 principles than you are concerned about game planning.
• Club Team will work out "adjacent" to the 105. By this I mean, they will be invited to participate in "separate drills" during Winter Conditioning, Summer Workouts, etc. - they will do the same exact shit as the 105, just on the opposite end of the field.
• The Main Football program will support campus wellness by providing access to the training table, strength, and training/recovery staff and facilities to the school's club team.
• Club Team will play an 8 game schedule that they have total control over. Will be in the fall as well so as to line up off season schedules with the active 105. No conference ties, no requirements for home/away scheduling, just play whoever whenever.
• As injuries occur, those injured players can be made inactive and the club team can call up a corresponding player

I know that throughout college football history, the top programs have always been those that are ahead of the rules. I feel like something similar to what's described above will be the "workaround" to the 105 limit. Without having a pool of players on campus, your 105 will be more like 90 at any given point during the season once injuries take place. I haven't heard any answer to how school's are expected to maintain their 105 - and now we are placing a way higher value on a team's injury luck than ever before.

Please commence picking this apart and telling me how stupid it is...

 

[HughJanus]

I am hoping someone here will respond and say "no that's already covered by...fill in the blank..." But one discussion I was having last week was around the concept of keeping the 105 filled throughout a season.

In the NFL you have practice squads and a pool of unsigned free agents that can come and go to/from a roster throughout the season to maintain their 53 man limit. But in NCAA with having to be enrolled in the school, this idea of just "picking up a guy" midseason is not a possiblity.

If I understand this correctly, and there's not a caveat that provides a way to maintain a full 105, then one wild idea I had is seeing schools offer a Club Football option which will essentially be their walk-on/feeder program, just segmented off (those things italicized are bullshit ways to frame having the program):

• Club teams will offer "Wellness and Activity" scholarships to those that were formerly walk ons that promote health and wellness on their college campus
• Former walk-on level players will move to the club team which is coached by someone hired and installed by the school's Head Coach. There will be contininuity of concepts and principles taught at the Club level to make for relativity quick transition to the active 105. You can't probably justify large contracts - but maybe your recruiting staff (who are seemingly becoming aspiring coaches) volunteers to coach and their salaries just so happen to simultaneously increase a bit. More concerned about fundamentals and install of the active 105 principles than you are concerned about game planning.
• Club Team will work out "adjacent" to the 105. By this I mean, they will be invited to participate in "separate drills" during Winter Conditioning, Summer Workouts, etc. - they will do the same exact shit as the 105, just on the opposite end of the field.
• The Main Football program will support campus wellness by providing access to the training table, strength, and training/recovery staff and facilities to the school's club team.
• Club Team will play an 8 game schedule that they have total control over. Will be in the fall as well so as to line up off season schedules with the active 105. No conference ties, no requirements for home/away scheduling, just play whoever whenever.
• As injuries occur, those injured players can be made inactive and the club team can call up a corresponding player

I know that throughout college football history, the top programs have always been those that are ahead of the rules. I feel like something similar to what's described above will be the "workaround" to the 105 limit. Without having a pool of players on campus, your 105 will be more like 90 at any given point during the season once injuries take place. I haven't heard any answer to how school's are expected to maintain their 105 - and now we are placing a way higher value on a team's injury luck than ever before.

Please commence picking this apart and telling me how stupid it is...

Didn't colleges used to have Freshman-JV teams?

 

[SoCal_Corn]

Didn't colleges used to have Freshman-JV teams?

yes

 

[Jim14510]

I am hoping someone here will respond and say "no that's already covered by...fill in the blank..." But one discussion I was having last week was around the concept of keeping the 105 filled throughout a season.

In the NFL you have practice squads and a pool of unsigned free agents that can come and go to/from a roster throughout the season to maintain their 53 man limit. But in NCAA with having to be enrolled in the school, this idea of just "picking up a guy" midseason is not a possiblity.

If I understand this correctly, and there's not a caveat that provides a way to maintain a full 105, then one wild idea I had is seeing schools offer a Club Football option which will essentially be their walk-on/feeder program, just segmented off (those things italicized are bullshit ways to frame having the program):

• Club teams will offer "Wellness and Activity" scholarships to those that were formerly walk ons that promote health and wellness on their college campus
• Former walk-on level players will move to the club team which is coached by someone hired and installed by the school's Head Coach. There will be contininuity of concepts and principles taught at the Club level to make for relativity quick transition to the active 105. You can't probably justify large contracts - but maybe your recruiting staff (who are seemingly becoming aspiring coaches) volunteers to coach and their salaries just so happen to simultaneously increase a bit. More concerned about fundamentals and install of the active 105 principles than you are concerned about game planning.
• Club Team will work out "adjacent" to the 105. By this I mean, they will be invited to participate in "separate drills" during Winter Conditioning, Summer Workouts, etc. - they will do the same exact shit as the 105, just on the opposite end of the field.
• The Main Football program will support campus wellness by providing access to the training table, strength, and training/recovery staff and facilities to the school's club team.
• Club Team will play an 8 game schedule that they have total control over. Will be in the fall as well so as to line up off season schedules with the active 105. No conference ties, no requirements for home/away scheduling, just play whoever whenever.
• As injuries occur, those injured players can be made inactive and the club team can call up a corresponding player

I know that throughout college football history, the top programs have always been those that are ahead of the rules. I feel like something similar to what's described above will be the "workaround" to the 105 limit. Without having a pool of players on campus, your 105 will be more like 90 at any given point during the season once injuries take place. I haven't heard any answer to how school's are expected to maintain their 105 - and now we are placing a way higher value on a team's injury luck than ever before.

Please commence picking this apart and telling me how stupid it is...

Not sure you can give scholarships for a club sport. Maybe they could potentially be like prior walk ons where they have access to gear, training, food, etc but pay their own way. Could still get paid NIL money but not revenue sharing?

 

[Stan Raymond]

I am hoping someone here will respond and say "no that's already covered by...fill in the blank..." But one discussion I was having last week was around the concept of keeping the 105 filled throughout a season.

In the NFL you have practice squads and a pool of unsigned free agents that can come and go to/from a roster throughout the season to maintain their 53 man limit. But in NCAA with having to be enrolled in the school, this idea of just "picking up a guy" midseason is not a possiblity.

If I understand this correctly, and there's not a caveat that provides a way to maintain a full 105, then one wild idea I had is seeing schools offer a Club Football option which will essentially be their walk-on/feeder program, just segmented off (those things italicized are bullshit ways to frame having the program):

• Club teams will offer "Wellness and Activity" scholarships to those that were formerly walk ons that promote health and wellness on their college campus
• Former walk-on level players will move to the club team which is coached by someone hired and installed by the school's Head Coach. There will be contininuity of concepts and principles taught at the Club level to make for relativity quick transition to the active 105. You can't probably justify large contracts - but maybe your recruiting staff (who are seemingly becoming aspiring coaches) volunteers to coach and their salaries just so happen to simultaneously increase a bit. More concerned about fundamentals and install of the active 105 principles than you are concerned about game planning.
• Club Team will work out "adjacent" to the 105. By this I mean, they will be invited to participate in "separate drills" during Winter Conditioning, Summer Workouts, etc. - they will do the same exact shit as the 105, just on the opposite end of the field.
• The Main Football program will support campus wellness by providing access to the training table, strength, and training/recovery staff and facilities to the school's club team.
• Club Team will play an 8 game schedule that they have total control over. Will be in the fall as well so as to line up off season schedules with the active 105. No conference ties, no requirements for home/away scheduling, just play whoever whenever.
• As injuries occur, those injured players can be made inactive and the club team can call up a corresponding player

I know that throughout college football history, the top programs have always been those that are ahead of the rules. I feel like something similar to what's described above will be the "workaround" to the 105 limit. Without having a pool of players on campus, your 105 will be more like 90 at any given point during the season once injuries take place. I haven't heard any answer to how school's are expected to maintain their 105 - and now we are placing a way higher value on a team's injury luck than ever before.

Please commence picking this apart and telling me how stupid it is...

Don't see it happening. Still twice as big of a NFL roster, there are enough spots, I don't see anybody trying to do this.

 

[kenyanfeline]

I was going to come here to say that a club football team would be too big of a liability issue for the University given the contact nature of the sport, but then I saw that we already have a club rugby team and a club figure-8 racing team.

This is actually not nearly as bad of an idea as I originally thought the first time a read it, I just don’t know how realistic it is from a $ and logistics standpoint.

 

[Ripping Lips]

I’m probably in the minority, but I’d think as a coach you’d want a smaller roster which allows more time to develop players and just easier to manage overall. I’m sure it will rub the local in state coaches the wrong way by not taking many or hardly any local kids anymore, but that’s the new landscape. Outside of the kids who play in the trenches, if you are not pushing for playing time your first 2 years, it’s time to move on.

 

[Frogsker30]

I was going to come here to say that a club football team would be too big of a liability issue for the University given the contact nature of the sport, but then I saw that we already have a club rugby team and a club figure-8 racing team.

This is actually not nearly as bad of an idea as I originally thought the first time a read it, I just don’t know how realistic it is from a $ and logistics standpoint.

There’s also club hockey

 

[Ghost of Devaney]

I’m probably in the minority, but I’d think as a coach you’d want a smaller roster which allows more time to develop players and just easier to manage overall. I’m sure it will rub the local in state coaches the wrong way by not taking many or hardly any local kids anymore, but that’s the new landscape. Outside of the kids who play in the trenches, if you are not pushing for playing time your first 2 years, it’s time to move on.

Agree 150 was too many. I remember reading when the 105 limit was announced the B1G coaches were upset because they wanted 120. If I recall the reasoning was 105 doesn’t allow enough for recruiting misses.

Of course since the roster is being flipped annually it’s a mute point

 

[Jim14510]

I’m probably in the minority, but I’d think as a coach you’d want a smaller roster which allows more time to develop players and just easier to manage overall. I’m sure it will rub the local in state coaches the wrong way by not taking many or hardly any local kids anymore, but that’s the new landscape. Outside of the kids who play in the trenches, if you are not pushing for playing time your first 2 years, it’s time to move on.

You could have a whole seperate coaching staff. Play against local teams that don't create a lot of travel and other expenses. Kind of like a JV squad.

 

[djw004]

Agree 150 was too many. I remember reading when the 105 limit was announced the B1G coaches were upset because they wanted 120. If I recall the reasoning was 105 doesn’t allow enough for recruiting misses.

Of course since the roster is being flipped annually it’s a mute point

I think 130-135 is what they'd consider ideal judging by current roster sizes. 120 I'm sure they'd have been fine with settling at.

 

[Ripping Lips]

Agree 150 was too many. I remember reading when the 105 limit was announced the B1G coaches were upset because they wanted 120. If I recall the reasoning was 105 doesn’t allow enough for recruiting misses.

Of course since the roster is being flipped annually it’s a mute point

120 would make sense for recruiting misses, but luckily we don’t honor 4 year scholarships anymore either. I remembered that Pelini always put himself on scholarship restriction and honored scholarships for kids who’d never contribute such as the Darlington kid who had concussion issues.

The one thing the NCAA needs to do is come out with a way to eliminate tampering.

 

[djw004]

Not sure you can give scholarships for a club sport. Maybe they could potentially be like prior walk ons where they have access to gear, training, food, etc but pay their own way. Could still get paid NIL money but not revenue sharing?

Well the athletic department wouldn't be providing the scholarship

It'd be just like when I received a "tech" scholarship because I had once plugged in a computer. A Blue Cross Blue Shield donates to a scholarship fund focusing on wellness, and the school distributes those to club sports.

Gotta think someone would fit the bill for the rest of it - many of the costs would overlap with existing costs in my scenario laid out. Training, nutrition, strength and conditioning, and recovery are all costs that are already allocated and numbers wouldn't be that far off from what's occuring right now.

Cheat without cheating is the thought here.

I really am curious - how are teams planning to maintain a full 105 if rosters are currently at 130-150?? Anyone know or heard anything?? No chance coaches are going to be fine with have 90 or even fewer available to them at a given time based on injuries.

 

[Carm]

I am hoping someone here will respond and say "no that's already covered by...fill in the blank..." But one discussion I was having last week was around the concept of keeping the 105 filled throughout a season.

In the NFL you have practice squads and a pool of unsigned free agents that can come and go to/from a roster throughout the season to maintain their 53 man limit. But in NCAA with having to be enrolled in the school, this idea of just "picking up a guy" midseason is not a possiblity.

If I understand this correctly, and there's not a caveat that provides a way to maintain a full 105, then one wild idea I had is seeing schools offer a Club Football option which will essentially be their walk-on/feeder program, just segmented off (those things italicized are bullshit ways to frame having the program):

• Club teams will offer "Wellness and Activity" scholarships to those that were formerly walk ons that promote health and wellness on their college campus
• Former walk-on level players will move to the club team which is coached by someone hired and installed by the school's Head Coach. There will be contininuity of concepts and principles taught at the Club level to make for relativity quick transition to the active 105. You can't probably justify large contracts - but maybe your recruiting staff (who are seemingly becoming aspiring coaches) volunteers to coach and their salaries just so happen to simultaneously increase a bit. More concerned about fundamentals and install of the active 105 principles than you are concerned about game planning.
• Club Team will work out "adjacent" to the 105. By this I mean, they will be invited to participate in "separate drills" during Winter Conditioning, Summer Workouts, etc. - they will do the same exact shit as the 105, just on the opposite end of the field.
• The Main Football program will support campus wellness by providing access to the training table, strength, and training/recovery staff and facilities to the school's club team.
• Club Team will play an 8 game schedule that they have total control over. Will be in the fall as well so as to line up off season schedules with the active 105. No conference ties, no requirements for home/away scheduling, just play whoever whenever.
• As injuries occur, those injured players can be made inactive and the club team can call up a corresponding player

I know that throughout college football history, the top programs have always been those that are ahead of the rules. I feel like something similar to what's described above will be the "workaround" to the 105 limit. Without having a pool of players on campus, your 105 will be more like 90 at any given point during the season once injuries take place. I haven't heard any answer to how school's are expected to maintain their 105 - and now we are placing a way higher value on a team's injury luck than ever before.

Please commence picking this apart and telling me how stupid it is...

Some interesting ideas, but I think the incentives are for teams to operate with as few players as possible instead of increasing the number of players to provide substitutes in case of a heavy dose of injuries. The teams all have a revenue sharing pool that stays they same even if the number of players go down. Team will try to keep from signing guys who won't play because they will want to use the money saved to pay more to top players.

I think the 105 will include the practice squad; i.e., the "active roster" - those guys who might play as either rotational players or players being developed is likely to be 20-25 less than the 105. The remaining spots may be taken by guys who do not get revenue sharing or NIL but instead get just a scholarship or partial scholarship (football is now an equivalency sport) to be the "practice squad". The "practice squad won't be viewed as players who are being developed for a playing future. They will be there to provide bodies at practice and depth in case of numerous player injuries.

 

[djw004]

You could have a whole seperate coaching staff. Play against local teams that don't create a lot of travel and other expenses. Kind of like a JV squad.

USD, SDSU, Cockeye, Cockeye St, Kansas, Kansas St

There's a 6 game schedule every year - only one in conference. Mix in Colorado, Oklahoma, Ok St, Missouri hell you could match up with the old big 8 pretty easily and have an affordale travel budget. 4 homes and 3 aways every year.

 

[Ripping Lips]

You could have a whole seperate coaching staff. Play against local teams that don't create a lot of travel and other expenses. Kind of like a JV squad.

That probably wouldn’t fly with the NCAA and sounds like a headache TBH. The kids can head to smaller schools, work hard and hire agents to move up.

 

[Carm]

I really am curious - how are teams planning to maintain a full 105 if rosters are currently at 130-150?? Anyone know or heard anything?? No chance coaches are going to be fine with have 90 or even fewer available to them at a given time based on injuries.

I read somewhere recently that the average roster size in P4 was 128.

A lot of those guys never, ever, play. They were there not because they were really needed but because they cost next to nothing. Now there is an opportunity cost involved in keeping them around. The financial incentives will keep teams from wanting guys around who won't be true contributors for more than 1-2 years after they get to college. It's cheaper (and easier - fewer guys to maintain and teach) to let those guys go elsewhere and get developed at a lower level and then, if they're needed, acquire them in the portal to fill the need.

 

[djw004]

That probably wouldn’t fly with the NCAA and sounds like a headache TBH. The kids can head to smaller schools, work hard and hire agents to move up.

The only thing you're missing here is - what do you do IN SEASON to replenish your roster. That's my only concern. I just don't think coaches will be keen to be whittled down to 90 or less during season.

Sorry - you forgot one more thing: What the fuck does the NCAA even do anymore? They are like a cock flavored lollipop

 

[Stan Raymond]

The only thing you're missing here is - what do you do IN SEASON to replenish your roster. That's my only concern. I just don't think coaches will be keen to be whittled down to 90 or less during season.

Sorry - you forgot one more thing: What the fuck does the NCAA even do anymore? They are like a cock flavored lollipop

The teams with 130 on the roster you can name 50 of them that won't play that season. A 105 roster is plenty big. 3 deep at every spot and you are still under 75.

 

[Ripping Lips]

The only thing you're missing here is - what do you do IN SEASON to replenish your roster. That's my only concern. I just don't think coaches will be keen to be whittled down to 90 or less during season.

Sorry - you forgot one more thing: What the fuck does the NCAA even do anymore? They are like a cock flavored lollipop

With there only being 22 starters, you can be 4 deep at each position and use only 88 and at 91 with kicker, punter and long snapper. Therefore, you have 14 spots available to fill. In reality, you can have a recruiting class of 20 to 22 players and 5 walk ons if needed. Im sure someone knows it, but I have a feeling that HS classes going forward will be no more than 20 kids and remaining spots will be for portal guys and no more than. 5 walkons a year.