Indiana football, being a legit NC contender, proves that…

[V-Doub]

Either we live in a computer simulation or intelligent design is real. It has to be one or the other, I just can’t decide which one it is…

 

[BusterScruggs]

It proves that it’s all about coaching, and our fans’ propensity to prefer giving coaches 6 years to “build” makes no sense given the statistical likelihood that if we haven’t struck gold within 2 years we likely never will. Just gotta keep rolling the dice

 

[ChocaEgg]

It proves that it’s all about coaching, and our fans’ propensity to prefer giving coaches 6 years to “build” makes no sense given the statistical likelihood that if we haven’t struck gold within 2 years we likely never will. Just gotta keep rolling the dice

This is 100% correct.

 

[king_kong_]

It proves that it’s all about coaching, and our fans’ propensity to prefer giving coaches 6 years to “build” makes no sense given the statistical likelihood that if we haven’t struck gold within 2 years we likely never will. Just gotta keep rolling the dice

We’d rather hire a Nice Guy.

Despite knowing where Nice Guys finish.

 

[Flabio]

The slow rebuild in the transfer portal and NIL era is a ploy to milk out as many years as possible imo.

 

[CornFed Gregger]

It proves that it’s all about coaching, and our fans’ propensity to prefer giving coaches 6 years to “build” makes no sense given the statistical likelihood that if we haven’t struck gold within 2 years we likely never will. Just gotta keep rolling the dice

It’s also helps when a billionaire decides to start buying players

 

[king_kong_]

The slow rebuild in the transfer portal and NIL era is a ploy to milk out as many years as possible imo.

Half of our 2-deep are still Frost players for christs sake

 

[Poor_and_Stupid]

Either we live in a computer simulation or intelligent design is real. It has to be one or the other, I just can’t decide which one it is…

My money is on The Simulation™.

I’ve also wondered if they are cheating somehow. It really defies all logic. It just has to be simulated to piss us off.

 

[BusterScruggs]

It’s also helps when a billionaire decides to start buying players

That’s half the point though. Cuban didn’t jump in until he saw this badass coach winning games he shouldn’t be. It all starts with coaching - exceed expectations, win some big games, and things start to snowball in the right direction with recruiting, NIL, fan support, etc. Struggle the first 2-3 years and you snowball in the other direction.

 

[Kazman5k]

It also shows the “destined loser” mindset half our whiny ass fanbase bitches about is bullshit. If Indiana can do it anybody can

 

[Alcaus]

Who’s the next Cignetti or is the idea you just eventually get lucky?

 

[Hedley Lamarr]

Who’s the next Cignetti or is the idea you just eventually get lucky?

Id take Kenny Dillingham in a heartbeat

 

[Cash68847]

Id take Kenny Dillingham in a heartbeat

I don’t think he would come here.

 

[ChocaEgg]

I don’t think he would come here.

Maybe if we get @BingoDingo in his ear

 

[SlumpBuster]

It proves that it’s all about coaching, and our fans’ propensity to prefer giving coaches 6 years to “build” makes no sense given the statistical likelihood that if we haven’t struck gold within 2 years we likely never will. Just gotta keep rolling the dice

But it really doesn't. It proves that with every rule there's an exception though.

It is all about coaching but 99% of the time it takes time to get it right.

Once in a very very very very very long time someone comes in and flips everything right away.

The % of "successful" coaches is miniscule. The % of coaches that flip them around in 1 year is like 1:10,000

I'm still curious how long this sustains though. If they're still good in 5 years he's probably the first ever to come to a crap team, turn it around immediately and sustain it for more than a couple years.

Honestly I can't think of one other example that fits that mold in the entire history of college football. Especially at a perennial doormat.

 

[Hedley Lamarr]

But it really doesn't. It proves that with every rule there's an exception though.

It is all about coaching but 99% of the time it takes time to get it right.

Once in a very very very very very long time someone comes in and flips everything right away.

The % of "successful" coaches is miniscule. The % of coaches that flip them around in 1 year is like 1:10,000

I'm still curious how long this sustains though. If they're still good in 5 years he's probably the first ever to come to a crap team, turn it around immediately and sustain it for more than a couple years.

Honestly I can't think of one other example that fits that mold in the entire history of college football. Especially at a perennial doormat.

Closest would be Bill Snyder but that wasn't like this

 

[2010sarenevercomingback]

Who’s the next Cignetti or is the idea you just eventually get lucky?

Everybody's hoping that pretty much every hot coach is the next Cignetti.

Cig himself had a good resume at a lower level, but plenty of so-so seasons, & nothing that looked like he was going to set the world on fire.

Fan bases at almost any blue blood school would riot in the streets if someone with his resume from 2 years ago was hired.

Then you have guys like Nick Saban who was just a .500 coach for his first 4 years at MSU, and almost everyone here would be ready to run off and say that he's clearly not elite.

A lot of this is just not as simple as people think. Many variables at play. Tons of coaches who have ridden a special talent to great results, then turned out to not be that great themselves. Lots of others who suddenly take off when they find the right dudes for their formula.

 

[SlumpBuster]

Closest would be Bill Snyder but that wasn't like this

Yeah, that's who came to mind for me too, but it actually took him a long time to make KSU good.

From Wikipedia:
When Snyder was hired at K-State for the first time on November 24, 1988, he inherited a situation that was several times worse than the one he'd found when he arrived in Cockeye with Fry. Kansas State had a cumulative record of 299–510 (.370) in 93 years of play, which was easily the most losses of any team in Division I-A at the time. The school had been to only one bowl game (the 1982 Independence Bowl), had not won a conference title since 1934 and had enjoyed four winning seasons in the previous 54 years (including two in the previous 34 years). The program also had not won a game since October 26, 1986, going 0–26–1 in that time.

Prior to Snyder's first season in 1989, Sports Illustrated published an article about Kansas State football entitled "Futility U," which labeled the school "America's most hapless team." In hopes of distancing K-State from its losing history, Snyder had art professor Tom Bookwalter create a new logo for the team's helmets, a stylized wildcat's head known as the "Powercat."

Snyder won only one game in his first season, beating the recently renamed North Texas, but it was a significant win because it was K-State's first win in three seasons. The game was especially thrilling, with a touchdown pass coming on the last play of the game. In Snyder's second season, in 1990, the Wildcats improved to 5–6. The five wins posted by the team had been matched only twice in the prior 17 years at the school, in 1973 (5–6) and 1982 (6–5–1).

The 1991 season saw another breakthrough when the Wildcats finished with a winning record of 7–4 and narrowly missed a bowl bid. It was only the second winning season at Kansas State since 1970, and the team's 4–3 conference record was only the third winning conference mark since 1934.

Two years later, Snyder led the Wildcats to the 1993 Copper Bowl. It was the school's second bowl game, its first bowl win and the first of its 11 consecutive bowl appearances from 1993 to 2003—of which it won six—a streak matched by only six other teams. The 1993 season also marked the second nine-win season in school history and the team's first ranking in a final media poll.

 

[CornFed Gregger]

That’s half the point though. Cuban didn’t jump in until he saw this badass coach winning games he shouldn’t be. It all starts with coaching - exceed expectations, win some big games, and things start to snowball in the right direction with recruiting, NIL, fan support, etc. Struggle the first 2-3 years and you snowball in the other direction.

I believe I have read that cignetti & Cuban had a connection prior to Indiana & his hire was what got Cuban into the fold.

Coaching matters, just saying it needs competitive money to go with it. Most likely cignetti gets stumped by that in the CFP or even with a lesser coach like Ryan held

 

[Alcaus]

Everybody's hoping that pretty much every hot coach is the next Cignetti.

Cig himself had a good resume at a lower level, but plenty of so-so seasons, & nothing that looked like he was going to set the world on fire.

Fan bases at almost any blue blood school would riot in the streets if someone with his resume from 2 years ago was hired.

Then you have guys like Nick Saban who was just a .500 coach for his first 4 years at MSU, and almost everyone here would be ready to run off and say that he's clearly not elite.

A lot of this is just not as simple as people think. Many variables at play. Tons of coaches who have ridden a special talent to great results, then turned out to not be that great themselves. Lots of others who suddenly take off when they find the right dudes for their formula.

Yeah, it’s all right guy at the right time.

Thinking you can just replace a guy every two years (like someone worth a shit is going to sign up for that possibility) and eventually you’ll hit seems ridiculous.