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Breaking JoBu Out

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Dec 7, 2025 at 12:00 PM
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ThankGODforWVB said:
If you can have Wilcox and you don't try for him or for Knowles you are foolish. I prefer Wilcox. No matter how bad Cal might have been otherwise his defense was always good. Personally I will miss having Butler, because he was doing some good things in the back-end. Obviously based on comments there was a personality conflict with Rhule, and I worry that Snow ends up having the job full time ...
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Here's a picture of JoBu describing the size of what was doing some good things in the back-end... 1764873891613.png
 
ThankGODforWVB said:
Then 75% of our fanbase are fools. Part of our problem over the last 15 years has been turnover within the staff; it kills development. Of course the corollary is that you have to make really good staff picks in the first place, which has also been a problem.
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firing an underperforming coach who’s really been given an opportunity to prove himself is reasonable. If Rhule was going to fire Butler for not doing what he was not properly set up to do up front, that makes little sense to me.

Our fans want to fire someone every time we lose, and that goes back 30 years. I’m used to that.
 
ThankGODforWVB said:
If you can have Wilcox and you don't try for him or for Knowles you are foolish. I prefer Wilcox. No matter how bad Cal might have been otherwise his defense was always good. Personally I will miss having Butler, because he was doing some good things in the back-end. Obviously based on comments there was a personality conflict with Rhule, and I worry that Snow ends up having the job full time ...
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Rhule flat out said that Snow is not a candidate.
 
ThankGODforWVB said:
If you can have Wilcox and you don't try for him or for Knowles you are foolish. I prefer Wilcox. No matter how bad Cal might have been otherwise his defense was always good. Personally I will miss having Butler, because he was doing some good things in the back-end. Obviously based on comments there was a personality conflict with Rhule, and I worry that Snow ends up having the job full time ...
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Rhule has already said Snow is not a candidate.
 
Kind of weird that this bomb went off on Monday and then the week was relatively quiet.
 
Fucking hilarious listening to Rhule's press conference. In describing the DC he wants he pretty much described all of Tony White's strengths. You know the guy who created a "subculture" of the defense being good and playing hard with and for each other. I'm not saying bring him back or he doesn't have weaknesses as a DC but yeah. Hilarious. Rhule hand picked Butler to become the DC and there wasn't a candidate in the world who was getting the job over Butler. Now suddenly Rhule realizes they weren't compatible. Yeah right.
 
Sous Chef said:
Fucking hilarious listening to Rhule's press conference. In describing the DC he wants he pretty much described all of Tony White's strengths. You know the guy who created a "subculture" of the defense being good and playing hard with and for each other. I'm not saying bring him back or he doesn't have weaknesses as a DC but yeah. Hilarious. Rhule hand picked Butler to become the DC and there wasn't a candidate in the world who was getting the job over Butler. Now suddenly Rhule realizes they weren't compatible. Yeah right.
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I remember it differently. White was always planning to leave after 1-2 years to get a HC job. In fact, he interviewed after year one and did not get one. Rhule did some succession planning and hired a replacement because he and White both figured he'd be gone after year two, and the deal with Butler was likely always that he'd be on the staff one year and then replace White.

He hired Tony because he had the qualities he wanted. He still wants those qualities.
 
Carm said:
I remember it differently. White was always planning to leave after 1-2 years to get a HC job. In fact, he interviewed after year one and did not get one. Rhule did some succession planning and hired a replacement because he and White both figured he'd be gone after year two, and the deal with Butler was likely always that he'd be on the staff one year and then replace White.

He hired Tony because he had the qualities he wanted. He still wants those qualities.
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Is this an assumption? If not how do you know? If you are basing it off of Tony interviewing after season one it is chicken and egg time. I kind of find it hard to believe that Rhule hired him on his initial staff thinking "I need to replace this guy right away". But by the end of the first season after Tony knocked it out of the park Rhule sure was thinking that. So the best thing is to assume Tony is a terrible person and shitty DC right?

Tony interviewed for HC jobs yes. But he stayed here instead after his AD gave him a raise. Weird though how Tony didn't interview for that HC job when he did leave. Made a lateral move instead. Don't think about the why's of that. Just assume Tony is a terrible person and shitty coach and ignore history repeating itself. It couldn't be that Rhule was doing everything he could to get Tony out and the best optic was to do everything he could to help Tony get that opportunity. I wonder why when Tony left there were clearly hard feelings there. Why if Tony were leaving for all the publicly stated reasons? Oh that's right. Tony is a terrible person and shitty coach.

Convince me that when he hired Tony he was also looking for his replacement. Make that make any kind of sense. And I'm sure when Tony hired his coaching staff all he could think of was how great it would be to get out of Nebraska. The narrative just falls apart so easily.
 
Sous Chef said:
Is this an assumption? If not how do you know? If you are basing it off of Tony interviewing after season one it is chicken and egg time. I kind of find it hard to believe that Rhule hired him on his initial staff thinking "I need to replace this guy right away". But by the end of the first season after Tony knocked it out of the park Rhule sure was thinking that. So the best thing is to assume Tony is a terrible person and shitty DC right?

Tony interviewed for HC jobs yes. But he stayed here instead after his AD gave him a raise. Weird though how Tony didn't interview for that HC job when he did leave. Made a lateral move instead. Don't think about the why's of that. Just assume Tony is a terrible person and shitty coach and ignore history repeating itself. It couldn't be that Rhule was doing everything he could to get Tony out and the best optic was to do everything he could to help Tony get that opportunity. I wonder why when Tony left there were clearly hard feelings there. Why if Tony were leaving for all the publicly stated reasons? Oh that's right. Tony is a terrible person and shitty coach.

Convince me that when he hired Tony he was also looking for his replacement. Make that make any kind of sense. And I'm sure when Tony hired his coaching staff all he could think of was how great it would be to get out of Nebraska. The narrative just falls apart so easily.
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Even in yr 1 of Tony White, Rhule alluded to the fact that he was not expecting to have him for an overly long period of time. And he has even shared advice that he is giving Tony on his HC job search.

IIRC Rhule made it pretty clear that we wouldn't have White for that long. TW was very happy at Syracuse. He only left there so he could get a better program on his resume to get a job as a HC.
 
HerbRedman said:
Even in yr 1 of Tony White, Rhule alluded to the fact that he was not expecting to have him for an overly long period of time. And he has even shared advice that he is giving Tony on his HC job search.

IIRC Rhule made it pretty clear that we wouldn't have White for that long. TW was very happy at Syracuse. He only left there so he could get a better program on his resume to get a job as a HC.
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that was all really transparent, and Tony even thanked Rhule for the help prepping for his interview with UCLA. the rumors all pointed towards him being really close to getting the UCLA job after 2023 when they hired Foster
 
HerbRedman said:
Even in yr 1 of Tony White, Rhule alluded to the fact that he was not expecting to have him for an overly long period of time. And he has even shared advice that he is giving Tony on his HC job search.

IIRC Rhule made it pretty clear that we wouldn't have White for that long. TW was very happy at Syracuse. He only left there so he could get a better program on his resume to get a job as a HC.
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That much I believe to be true. But if the rest were true why was year two what it was? Instead of being over joyed and happy that his guy got an extension to stay longer he hired his replacement anyway. And made it plain that was his preferred DC. Who is now fired. It just kind of amused me and honestly triggered me a bit listening to Rhule describe they guy he pushed out in favor of his ex buddy Butler as who he wants for a DC. Acting like its some revelation that Butler didn't turn out to be a player's coach. No shit the guy grew his chops in the NFL. All the sudden he was going to become a rah rah guy? Please.
 
Sous Chef said:
That much I believe to be true. But if the rest were true why was year two what it was? Instead of being over joyed and happy that his guy got an extension to stay longer he hired his replacement anyway. And made it plain that was his preferred DC. Who is now fired. It just kind of amused me and honestly triggered me a bit listening to Rhule describe they guy he pushed out in favor of his ex buddy Butler as who he wants for a DC. Acting like its some revelation that Butler didn't turn our to be a player's coach. No shit the guy grew his chops in the NFL. All the sudden he was going to become a rah rah guy? Please.
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I don't know how the Butler thing went down. I'd love to know.

My only guess is Rhule prides himself on giving guys their first chance. He gets off on it. And I don't think he likes to bring in big established vets that will ruin is OOU vibe. He hired Dana but he already knew Dana was OOU.

It was all a mistake as it turns out.
 
HerbRedman said:
I don't know how the Butler thing went down. I'd love to know.

My only guess is Rhule prides himself on giving guys their first chance. He gets off on it. And I don't think he likes to bring in big established vets that will ruin is OOU vibe. He hired Dana but he already knew Dana was OOU.

It was all a mistake as it turns out.
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His hiring or firing? Or both?
 
HerbRedman said:
I don't know how the Butler thing went down. I'd love to know.

My only guess is Rhule prides himself on giving guys their first chance. He gets off on it. And I don't think he likes to bring in big established vets that will ruin is OOU vibe. He hired Dana but he already knew Dana was OOU.

It was all a mistake as it turns out.
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looking back at some of his quotes in the offseason, he was frustrated by the pass defense giving up a lot of 3rd and longs and talked a lot of going to a more NFL style with relying on 4 man pressures vs TW's blitz packages.

I think he saw JoBu's NFL mindest as preferable, and thought by having a smaller more athletic front to generate pressure they could have a better defense. He horribly misjudged the talent on the DL and then the coaching between JoBu and Bradden was dog shit, resulting in what we got
 
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