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CFB Playoff Expansion

I admittedly haven’t put a ton of thought into it, but to me it’s just too many teams.
But we already have 35 bowl games (70 teams invited). Plus we have another 12 for the CFP. So that's 82 teams that qualify for the post-season out of 136 total (60%).


82 out of 136 making the post-season seems too many to me.

A 28 team playoff + ditch the bowls is the way to go. I agree with you in that we should shrink the # of teams involved in the post-season down. A 28 team playoff shrinks it WAY down. Enough w the bowls. They're dead.
 
If there were 28 teams instead of 16, would you watch the incremental games and be interested in their outcomes? I'd bet you would.
I for sure would.

I just don’t think “would you watch?” should be the barometer for these decisions. Same reason I don’t want to see the number of March Madness teams increase.
 
If there were 28 teams instead of 16, would you watch the incremental games and be interested in their outcomes? I'd bet you would.
It'd be a hell of a lot more interesting than the Guaranteed Rate Bowl or Detroit Motor City Bowl or the Idaho Potato Bowl
 
It'd be a hell of a lot more interesting than the Guaranteed Rate Bowl or Detroit Motor City Bowl or the Idaho Potato Bowl
absolutely - games with meaning rather than games that even some members of the teams opt out of
 
But we already have 35 bowl games (70 teams invited). Plus we have another 12 for the CFP. So that's 82 teams that qualify for the post-season out of 136 total (60%).


82 out of 136 making the post-season seems too many to me.

A 28 team playoff + ditch the bowls is the way to go. I agree with you in that we should shrink the # of teams involved in the post-season down. A 28 team playoff shrinks it WAY down. Enough w the bowls. They're dead.
I’m not a “bowl game traditionalist” at all, but I totally support them continuing in their current form. I’d much rather maintain exclusivity in the CFP and then the bowls can do what they want. They’re fun exhibitions and that’s really all they’ve ever been by-and-large for the last couple decades.
 
I for sure would.

I just don’t think “would you watch?” should be the barometer for these decisions. Same reason I don’t want to see the number of March Madness teams increase.
Yes, damn them for giving us more things we want to watch!
 
I'm curious what the naysayers would prefer for a better system?

IMO, playoff size should be limited to about the number of teams that have an actual chance of winning it. 12, maybe 16 absolutely max is plenty in CFB.

Nobody outside that group is winning it, so including them is pointless and turns games against those teams into "just don't get injured" contests, and wastes a full week in a sport like football.

Have your playoffs for the title contenders, and have bowl games be fun escapes & revenue generators for other good teams.
 
Bowl games are practice for players that are coming back for the following season and thus are pointless and suck now. Plus opt outs.
 
I’d much rather maintain exclusivity in the CFP and then the bowls can do what they want. They’re fun exhibitions
Sick Bert Kreischer GIF by First We Feast
 
IMO, playoff size should be limited to about the number of teams that have an actual chance of winning it. 12, maybe 16 absolutely max is plenty in CFB.

Nobody outside that group is winning it, so including them is pointless and turns games against those teams into "just don't get injured" contests, and wastes a full week in a sport like football.
The same standard would eliminate at least 2/3s of March Madness teams.

I think there is something to be said for both giving these teams a chance to show how far they can go and for making the favorites run a gauntlet of highly motivated good teams to prove they both have the killer instinct and deserve the chance to compete for a natty.
 
Have your playoffs for the title contenders, and have bowl games be fun escapes & revenue generators for other good teams.
a lot of the fun is gone from bowl games due to the opt outs.

Most bowl games don't generate any revenue for the teams. Maybe the NY6 ones. But the cost to the university eats away most of that profit and some teams end up losing money on the smaller bowls.
 
I think I'd rather just see a College Football Crown. Do top 16 to playoffs, 2-3 rounds of home games. Next 16 to the crown, 2-3 rounds of home games.

You want games to matter, put some money on the line and you can make any game matter
 
The same standard would eliminate at least 2/3s of March Madness teams.

I think there is something to be said for both giving these teams a chance to show how far they can go and for making the favorites run a gauntlet of highly motivated good teams to prove they both have the killer instinct and deserve the chance to compete for a natty.
Basketball you can play a game 2 days later, and there is minimal injury risk.

Plus there have been plenty of 8-9 seeds in serious contention (or that have won it), and basically the bottom half of the tourney is just automatic qualifiers from crap conferences anyway.
 
I’d rather see some kid of mini conference playoff which feeds into a smaller CFB playoff.

I was really getting behind the idea of top 2 in B1G and SEC are in, then 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 on campus for next two in. Some expansion of this effectively does take the playoff beyond 12 or 16, just keeps some of it within conference.
 
I’d rather see some kid of mini conference playoff which feeds into a smaller CFB playoff.

I was really getting behind the idea of top 2 in B1G and SEC are in, then 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 on campus for next two in. Some expansion of this effectively does take the playoff beyond 12 or 16, just keeps some of it within conference.
This is essentially what the proposal is the way I take it. They simply folded the conference playoffs into the CFB.
 
24 or 28 is more than enough to get all 10 FBS conference champions in. Wouldn’t be surprised at a lawsuit if there isn’t a criteria that enables that at a playoff that size.

Also, zero reason for one league to have 7 guaranteed slots let alone 2 leagues. A 28 team CFP with 7 B1G and SEC guaranteed spots with 2 G6 slots and 2 at larges means ACC and Big 12 get 4 slots each? Just stupid.
 
24 or 28 is more than enough to get all 10 FBS conference champions in. Wouldn’t be surprised at a lawsuit if there isn’t a criteria that enables that at a playoff that size.

Also, zero reason for one league to have 7 guaranteed slots let alone 2 leagues. A 28 team CFP with 7 B1G and SEC guaranteed spots with 2 G6 slots and 2 at larges means ACC and Big 12 get 4 slots each? Just stupid.
Not sure what the grounds would be for a conference to sue because their champion wasn't selected for the CFB? Why couldn't they then also sue then because no one was interested in paying their conference the same for media rights as the B1G or the SEC? What would keep the P4 from simply going their own way altogether if lower rated conferences sued for an auto spot?
 
Not sure what the grounds would be for a conference to sue because their champion wasn't selected for the CFB? Why couldn't they then also sue then because no one was interested in paying their conference the same for media rights as the B1G or the SEC? What would keep the P4 from simply going their own way altogether if lower rated conferences sued for an auto spot?
There has long been fear of litigation by those in power at the top of CFB (and those forming the CFP) that formalizing exclusion of certain leagues would lead to lawsuit because of monopolistic/antitrust behaviors. It’s been like this forever, Utah threatened to sue the BCS back in like 2009 for the same reason when they were left out.

It’s the reason the current format is “top 5 conference champions” and not “Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Group of 5” in all of the language. It is theoretically possible the SEC champion would be left out in favor of the MAC champion although everyone knows it would never in ten thousand years happen in practicality

There is zero world in which the Big Ten needs 7 automatic qualifiers for the college football playoff. Cockeye and Michigan would’ve been the last two Big Ten teams in last year in this model with Rutgers (!!) missing it by one game. It’s beyond stupid and likely only being offered to make the preferred 16 team model more palatable for everyone else
 
There has long been fear of litigation by those in power at the top of CFB (and those forming the CFP) that formalizing exclusion of certain leagues would lead to lawsuit because of monopolistic/antitrust behaviors. It’s been like this forever, Utah threatened to sue the BCS back in like 2009 for the same reason when they were left out.

It’s the reason the current format is “top 5 conference champions” and not “Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Group of 5” in all of the language. It is theoretically possible the SEC champion would be left out in favor of the MAC champion although everyone knows it would never in ten thousand years happen in practicality

There is zero world in which the Big Ten needs 7 automatic qualifiers for the college football playoff. Cockeye and Michigan would’ve been the last two Big Ten teams in last year in this model with Rutgers (!!) missing it by one game. It’s beyond stupid and likely only being offered to make the preferred 16 team model more palatable for everyone else
It isn't stupid. It would be entertaining.

FBS is now split into two sections in terms of rule-making authority by vote of the membership. Litigation would go nowhere now, IMO.
 
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