Lol at Tony White…

[Flabio]

How do you keep White here, though? My understanding was it had more to do with family and location than drama and Rhule didn’t want Tony to leave. I wish I could remember the episode of DBs podcast where he got into it… @Mythosaur

I think Tony would agree that his system had to adjust to the Big10, I don’t think there were enormous philosophical differences but maybe you can enlighten me there.

You don't and thus the whole discussion makes no sense.

 

[ShortSideOption]

$1.6 million in Tallahassee is more than $1.6 million in Lincoln. Saves around $80,000 in state income tax and overall lower cost of living.

Ok.

 

[ShortSideOption]

How do you keep White here, though? My understanding was it had more to do with family and location than drama and Rhule didn’t want Tony to leave. I wish I could remember the episode of DBs podcast where he got into it… @Mythosaur

I think Tony would agree that his system had to adjust to the Big10, I don’t think there were enormous philosophical differences but maybe you can enlighten me there.

He was getting his toes stepped on, and then they were dictating his defenses with the new hires that came in. Not sure if he was gone before this, but when you start hearing some things after the fact that some things were getting installed that he wasn't wanting, then see these quotes:


I didn't hear him talk like that except after that Indiana game. Just very interesting. When you hire Snow and bring in Butler that verbally said he wanted to be a DC... there was just more going on than wanting to be back towards family. I would also point to Knighton being Rhule's guy but leaving with TW.

 

[Alcaus]

He was getting his toes stepped on, and then they were dictating his defenses with the new hires that came in. Not sure if he was gone before this, but when you start hearing some things after the fact that some things were getting installed that he wasn't wanting, then see these quotes:
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I didn't hear him talk like that except after that Indiana game. Just very interesting. When you hire Snow and bring in Butler that verbally said he wanted to be a DC... there was just more going on than wanting to be back towards family. I would also point to Knighton being Rhule's guy but leaving with TW.

I get that, was probably his defenses worst performance since getting to Nebraska so his comments came off differently to me. I take a lot of the "leaked info" with a giant grain of salt.

That said there's been a lot of chatter since the move that the kitchen was too crowded, which is understandable.

I think the biggest issue was Rhule wanting to get away from the 3-3-5.

 

[Frogsker30]

I’m gonna play devils advocate on the argument of too many cooks in the kitchen. Just for the fuck of it and create discussion.

Offense has 3 on field coaches that are or have been OC AND qb coaches. Albeit two haven’t been here all 3 years they seem to be gelling well.

I guess I’m saying it’s possible to have multiple chefs and put out a good meal.

Then again if a chef uses cilantro instead of parsley in pasta, that meal would not turn out well.

 

[Alcaus]

I’m gonna play devils advocate on the argument of too many cooks in the kitchen. Just for the fuck of it and create discussion.

Offense has 3 on field coaches that are or have been OC AND qb coaches. Albeit two haven’t been here all 3 years they seem to be gelling well.

I guess I’m saying it’s possible to have multiple chefs and put out a good meal.

Then again if a chef uses cilantro instead of parsley in pasta, that meal would not turn out well.

If your goal is to add the best available coaches to your staff it's hard to bitch about the additions especially their secondary expertise.

 

[herbsinator]

If your goal is to add the best available coaches to your staff it's hard to bitch about the additions especially their secondary expertise.

Our secondary performance has been unquestionably better this year as well, so it’s hard to say that some tweaks on the pass defense weren’t warranted.

 

[Alcaus]

Our secondary performance has been unquestionably better this year as well, so it’s hard to say that some tweaks on the pass defense weren’t warranted.

I find it hard to believe that Tony White is the kind of guy that sees an opportunity to surround himself with great defensive minds and decides it's not for him unless there were significant philosophical differences. It's certainly not the type of mentality I'd want in my future head coach.

 

[herbsinator]

I find it hard to believe that Tony White is the kind of guy that sees an opportunity to surround himself with great defensive minds and decides it's not for him unless there were significant philosophical differences. It's certainly not the type of mentality I'd want in my future head coach.

According to some in this thread, TW wanted basically total autonomy and resented Rhule’s involvement. If that was the case, you have to get him out of there regardless of what players we may have lost as a result.

 

[Alcaus]

According to some in this thread, TW wanted basically total autonomy and resented Rhule’s involvement. If that was the case, you have to get him out there regardless of what players we may have lost as a result.

Yeah, not what I would've expected of him.

 

[Baron Winnebago]

Shit happens. Knowles left Ohio State after the Natty because Day chewed his ass about playing Downs as a two high safety instead of moving him around to get him involved more, which feels obvious given that he may be the best overall player in this draft class

 

[Flabio]

Were there more cooks in the kitchen bc TW’s defensive scheme had issues or he was struggling? No one knows and could this be sour grapes on TWs side of things? It’s all rumor, speculation, innuendo which makes the whole thing pointless unless folks have proof or where there.

 

[nja13]

I’m gonna play devils advocate on the argument of too many cooks in the kitchen. Just for the fuck of it and create discussion.

Offense has 3 on field coaches that are or have been OC AND qb coaches. Albeit two haven’t been here all 3 years they seem to be gelling well.

I guess I’m saying it’s possible to have multiple chefs and put out a good meal.

Then again if a chef uses cilantro instead of parsley in pasta, that meal would not turn out well.

The difference is the chef in the offensive room is one of the most accomplished chefs in college football with many years experience as an OC and head coach. He is supremely confident in his abilities and not threatened by outside contributions.

White is still an up-and-comer trying to establish his bona fides and find his dream job. It kind of makes sense why he is more sensative to outside input, or interference as he probably sees it.

 

[Carm]

I’m seeing this late but what I heard last year was that Nwaneri hated Mizzou from day one and told the coaches before the season started that he wasn't playing in more than 4 games because he was transferring after the season. If that is true than the negativity about Nwaneri coming from Columbia was typical ass-covering bad mouthing.

 

[nscottie]

I’m seeing this late but what I heard last year was that Nwaneri hated Mizzou from day one and told the coaches before the season started that he wasn't playing in more than 4 games because he was transferring after the season. If that is true than the negativity about Nwaneri coming from Columbia was typical ass-covering bad mouthing.

I read the same on the Mizzou board

 

[ShortSideOption]

I think the biggest issue was Rhule wanting to get away from the 3-3-5.

Has Rhule publicly stated that? If so he's a complete moron, considering Tony White took a Nebraska defense that was 75th in scoring defense in 2022 to the 11th ranked scoring defense in 2023, and 20th ranked scoring defense in 2024. We could run a 1-1-9 if that's the results it is getting us.

The good news is Nebraska is currently ranked 14th, but I expect us to fall back in the 30s/40s to finish this year now that we are into conference play.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Has Rhule publicly stated that? If so he's a complete moron, considering Tony White took a Nebraska defense that was 75th in scoring defense in 2022 to the 11th ranked scoring defense in 2023, and 20th ranked scoring defense in 2024. We could run a 1-1-9 if that's the results it is getting us.

The good news is Nebraska is currently ranked 14th, but I expect us to fall back in the 30s/40s to finish this year now that we are into conference play.

lol you do realize we play in the offensively challenged B1G, correct ?

 

[Alcaus]

Has Rhule publicly stated that? If so he's a complete moron, considering Tony White took a Nebraska defense that was 75th in scoring defense in 2022 to the 11th ranked scoring defense in 2023, and 20th ranked scoring defense in 2024. We could run a 1-1-9 if that's the results it is getting us.

The good news is Nebraska is currently ranked 14th, but I expect us to fall back in the 30s/40s to finish this year now that we are into conference play.

Saying "3-3-5" is probably too general, I mean more 4-man fronts. I know you can simulate this with any defense and I'm not saying we'd switch to a 4-3 but I think more true D-linemen is probably the goal.

It's obviously personnel dependent and I think Rhule would run whatever gets the best athletes on the field but to answer your question, I don't think I have a specific clip I can reference where Rhule talks about scheme specifically.

 

[ShortSideOption]

lol you do realize we play in the offensively challenged B1G, correct ?

We played in an offensively challenged B1G in 2022 and were 75th. First team we played from the B1G this year scored 30 on us, which would have us at 91st currently if that happened every game. So I'm not sure what you are getting at, but we will sink down from here.

 

[ShortSideOption]

Saying "3-3-5" is probably too general, I mean more 4-man fronts. I know you can simulate this with any defense and I'm not saying we'd switch to a 4-3 but I think more true D-linemen is probably the goal.

It's obviously personnel dependent and I think Rhule would run whatever gets the best athletes on the field but to answer your question, I don't think I have a specific clip I can reference where Rhule talks about scheme specifically.

IMO I think we need bigger DL, not necessarily more of them. We are way too small up front in 2025.